Hand here might be trivial but interested in opinions regardless.

1/3 sat night fun table with a group of guys who know each other splashing around a bit, none of them are involved with this hand though

V1 twenties lag, only V at table capable of a big bluff, 500
V2 thirties asian reg tight pre no read post, 230
V3 mawg new to table, 300
Hero 30s white guy, havent done much at the table, 330

V1 opens utg 18
V2 calls
H in cutoff AKo raise to 65, little bigger than I would usually go here but I want to get it HU or ok taking it down now
V3 cold calls on button, V1 and V2 call!

Flop (260)
J83 rainbow
V1 and V2 check to Hero.
Hero?

flat pre. unless u can reraise to ~$100 and get called by worse alot i like flatting the big raise pre.
flop check fold. u should basically never cbet bluff into three or more people. even agaibst two people i check fold here

Check

Check. Hope the turn hits your ace or K. Otherwise pack it up.

3bet is good given description of V1. I'm doing a delayed c-bet on this board against these 2 V's.

I think if you check flop, you are giving up on hand, almost even if an A or K comes on turn. What would you be ahead of that you are not ahead of now? Maybe QQ, but that is unlikely given pre-flop.

This board is so dry -- only sets and over-pairs (very unlikely) can continue (and sets still crush us on turn). Having V3 cold call on button is my biggest concern.

I guess just check and basically give up, but if you bet, you are repping AA or KK, and it should fold out most hands.

Basically, if you check, they will put you on AK.

V1 still has lots of Jx in his range given reads. I also think its fairly likely either V may peel once with 99/TT type hands. If we check behind, they might put us on AK, but V1 would still have to bluff into 2 people if he wanted to. I would expect V2 to play fairly straightforward.

We still have V3, too. V1 might have JX, but if you think he'll call on the flop, he's not folding on the turn. If we check flop and an A or K comes on turn, they can play perfectly against us.

V1 range is definitely wide enough to 3 bet for value.

Great flop to take a stab. I am firing $160. Done with hand if jammed or called.

Your image will play a huge roll also. If you have bluffy image, may check it back.

But with 2 overs, we should have enough fold equity and outs to take a profitable stab on flop.

V3 definitely could slow me down though. Cold calling 3 bet is likely a pocket pair.

PF raise of 47 into 58 is ok, but I may go bigger since V2 can (again) flat a raise at a decent price if V1 flats. Not that we expected V3 to cold flat, but calling 47 into 105 is a decent price for a lot of ranges and only gets better for the 'next' guy to call into.

There really is no value betting here with effective stacks now 'pot sized', you have to go $180+, shove or check into this spot. I hate the J when the PF action goes this way. If you can truly rep AA/KK here you are only called by sets and AA/KK unless your unknown has spiked a Jx somehow .. and then you are still behind.

Someone is betting the Turn regardless of the card that comes out .. lets hope it's an A or K ... checking 90% of the time. GL

I think the 3bet pf is boarderline. Usually if we have a big UTG raiser followed by a tight caller, it's not a good scenario but since UTG is a LAG, the 3bet would make sense as long as he is still open raising wide from UTG. If not, I wouldn't 3bet this hand. Your sizing was perfect imo.

I would check/fold the flop since it's 4 people in a big 3bet pot that we missed, there are enough PP's in there that are not folding to a cbet. Once cbet is not going to take it down and I think stacks are too shallow to continue since they will already be pot committed so we won't have too much FE.

Shove is definitely the only bet you should make.

I'm unhappy the V3 cold called, but I don't like just giving up with SPR about 1.

If someone has a set, then you lose. Otherwise, you still have plenty of outs.

And your 3b sizing is too small. $75+ or don't 3b at all.

I did miss that we were 4 handed to the flop instead of 3 handed. Even easier check for me then, seems suicidal to bluff at this pot. I like a c/f.

Ya messed up stack size. Check or shove. Definitely not betting $150

check

I think 3bet size is pretty good, it's pretty much what I would raise with these stacks to prevent setmining odds. If I thought table was looser/gambloorier I would raise more, but whatever.

4ways I probably check and hope I get a free card. Although, we only have about a ~PSB left; a jam probably has a decent chance at folding out small pairs, and if we're called we're still gonna suck out on them 25% of the time. Close?

GcluelessNLnoobG

Ok java nailed my thinking at least. I think a check lets everyone correctly put us on AK and lets them play perfectly the rest of the hand.

I am not willing to give up on hand here as I could easily have an overpair based on action so far so I am betting. Bet 130 into 260.
V3 unhappily folds. V1 shoves. V2 folds.
V1 can have sets, JTs, QJs, 9Ts, overpairs, AK
I call it off for the extra 135 to win 655.

Turns out he has AJ so I am basically drawing dead and brick out. Reason I said hand may be trivial is I feel like only actual decision was how much to bet on flop.

What was our plan on the turn if called and we brick? Putting in 2/3rds of our stack to be in no mans land with a lol 1/4 PSB left on the turn seems like a bad plan, imo.

Gflopisashoveversuscheck,imoG

V1 is extremely stackable in the long run.

Gg. This is a spot where I am not sure plan if called matters that much. I am much more concerned with what bet amount looks stronger and will get folds from say... AJ

I think a full pot shove is bluffier than my half pot 130 (still a BIG BET at this table).

Jx is never folding, so we can sorta ignore those hands.

GimoG

Any opponent good enough to consider folding TPTK on a dry flop wouldn't have called preflop with AJ to begin with.

I really can't decide if shoving or checking is better though. Shoving can fold out middle pairs that beat you and for the most part you are not in terrible shape when you are called. Villains calling preflop with AJ have a lot of unpaired hands that missed this entirely and there is no reason to give them free cards. The problem is that with 3 villains it isn't clear if you will have enough FE against middle pairs to make it +EV.

3-bet preflop is good, call is fine too.

Flop bet is terrible. Yes, you are repping an overpair. But against 3 opponents in a 1/3 game, at least one of them won't care and will stack off with a Jack or QQ. You are lighting money on fire by not checking.

I don't think there's any (much?) debate whether QQ/Jx are going to fold (I agree, they ain't). But QQ/Jx aren't necessarily out there.

The question is whether Jx+ ain't out there enough and whether pairs < JJ that didn't set up will fold enough.

GcluelessNLnoobG

I agree with GG's last post. If we were HU or even 3way, I'd be more inclined to bombs away. With 4 players, I think it's just far too likely one of them has a piece that isn't folding.