$3/3 casino game in Sweden. Saturday night, around midnight. Lots of deep stacks, straddling and people are not afraid to put chips in the middle.


Hero:$900. Tag image, maybe even little bit weak tight ish too couple of the regs due to having to raise/fold to 3 bet because ive been at the bottom of my range 2-3 times in a row when i have been 3 bet. Not a well known reg in this game, as i travel here and play a handful of times pr year in this room- so i am mostly an unknown even though couple of the hardcore grinders know my face. Winning tonight, even not playing many big pots. In for 2 bullets in the game, $300 up so far. Lost my first bullet when i limp reraised AK suited pre, one of the fishes called off my 100 BB shove with A8 suited and binked on me.

Villain:$1200. Tight in some periods, but at the same time very aggressive young swedish guy in his early twenties. Borderline LAG in some parts of his game, 3 betting alot pre is one of those-especially against late pos opens and attacking isoraising over limpers. This is the first time hero is playing with villain,never seen him before either.Reminds me of an online grinder playing live. Sitting two seats to heros left, wich obviously isnt the most optimal situation for hero. Over the last hour i have been forced to raise/fold couple of times after villain 3 bet. The second time he showed the table A3s so he is for sure 3 betting wider than your average LLSNL villain. Its very likely at this point that he believes that he can run over hero,due to heros raise/folding tendencies so far in this game when facing 3 bets from him.


On to the hand.$6 UTG straddle, and hero opens to $24 from MP with AKo. Villain is on the button, and 3 bets to $80. Hero? What are your thoughts on this dynamic ,and how do you want to navigate this hand being this deep+ OOP? How do we approach different kind of flops if we 4 balls this and villain gets sticky in position?

Bonus question: how wide are we 4 betting in this spot given described dynamics between hero and villain?

It’s either flat or 4! to $230-240-ish.
I personally would probably lean towards 4!ing this guy being more optimal, but you’re gonna be in a tricky spot if you whiff the flop obviously.
Seat change ASAP.

$225-250 and be prepared to fire some bullets.

^
Yeah, definitely don’t just give up if you whiff.

So you are basically firing every flop if villain is flatting our 4 bet pre with this sizing if i understand you correctly? Can you please elaborate some more on how big you are sizing your c-bet on different kind of flops?

All options available including fold.

Personally not interested in over-adjusting by 4b and barreling off a pile, I really would expect him to fold to a 4b at a pretty high freq and that might my preferred line. But again, I'm not making a stand, get called, and have to maneuver post like a champ to make money.

No need to start 4b wider than this hand.

If you call, you're really just slotting your hand in one of those spots where you hope to make a pair and call down w the hand he is repping. It happens, but without the suit it makes things awfully meh.

Folding is certainly within reason, not too nitty. I'd never release the suited variety, even though I do tend to overvalue playability.

4b pre

I would expect your 4b to elicit folds at a very high clip given that is the natural adjustment to make when a “weak/tight” villain 4bets for the first time and he’s already shown himself to be 3b wide. Suits and board texture matter for post flop so cross that bridge if and when we get there.

4! pre.

Vs a BTN 3bet from a non-nit this is a clear 4bet with AKo and probably with AJs+/AQo+/KQs/TT+. Flat with 66-99, Axs, and suited broadways. At these stacksizes, i'd prefer 250-275ish sizing. I'm mostly folding to a shove, but its probably close vs described villain.

This is a really profitable spot and folding is definitely NOT within reason imo.

If called, bet 1/3 pot on non-coordinated flops that favor us, like A62 or J33, and barrel 2/3 pot on blank turns. If the flop has a lot of middle cards or otherwise favors villain, check and either fold or call based on his sizing and whatever equity we might have.

If we 4 bet to $275 and he calls...the pot will be $550. You want to bet 1/3 pot on certain flops. That's $180. If he calls, the pot is $910. How are we going to bet 2/3 pot on the turn? That's $600 and we only have $445 left. We have a liltle less than a pot sized bet left for the turn.

Seems pretty clear we just station this guy off and let him "try to win the hand", this time.

Depending on turn texture, I can see going for a x/c, x/r line.

I don't see the need to turn AK into a bluff and 4b, cuz we really, really don't want to see a flop OOP in this spot after we 4b.

~~~

If V is prone to trying to run over the table, I prefer to let him iso me and then just let him dump $$$ on to the table. No 4b games necessary.

So, this is the right idea against this type, but probably the wrong hand to do it with. It's far better when he has more Ax, Kx and we get to hero down and piss him off because we live players suck so bad. Against, presuming this guy is this type of player is a bit much, but it isn't in the USA, so maybe he is one of those.

It's really a very clean 4b pre. I don't like AKo as a call when it likely makes fistfuls of dollars 4b and having him snap fold.

[ ] 4b AK is a bluff
[x] 4b AK is not a bluff

Why is everyone assuming he is gonna snap fold to a 4 bet 300bb deep?
Unless the 4 bet is massive I see this type of villian calling the 4 bet in position
I like flatting the 3 bet this deep and letting the ape go crazy post flop


Are we folding to a shove if we 4 bet?

I prefer this line if we had something like 99/10/JJ. With AK, hero's still going to miss the flop 2/3rds of the time. Do you really want to play the guessing game and call barrels in a 3! pot with no pair?

Given the specific description of this V, I think this is a slam dunk 4! spot, though I concede that id fold to a 5! jam. I just think H is going to generate more folds and make more money taking initiative in this hand than the times he's going to get jammed on. It just feels pretty gross to me to flat this hand OOP and have to fold/soul read the majority of the time when H misses flop, especially against a BTN 3! from a V with a propensity to squeeze.

I think there is money to be made vs this type of guy bluffcatching post flop.
I am not saying i'd never ever 4 bet ak here but calling preflop has it's merits too
4 bet folding ak kinda sucks...but Obv if you 4 bet it's a clear fold to a jam

Another thing to take into consideration is people dont really have a 5 bet shove range and are flatting aa and kk to the 4 bet so this could get ugly while holding ak and being the aggressor deep af

This

If V is 3!ing often and we are perceived as weak tight our 4! should be very profitable against his range if we’re able to play well OOP. If we’re 4!ing and becoming passive when we whiff the flop, then a 4! is a bad idea.
With our image and the tight 4! range we would have with this image V will assume we have a big pair almost every time here.

the prob with 4 betting this deep is villian knows exactly what you have and can play v well vs that range postflop if he flats the 4 bet
Hero will be capped to over pairs and some suited ace kings while villian will have all kinds of hidden two pairs, straights, sets, combo draws and god only knows what else
Villian is going to be winning massive pots more imo for this reason
It's easy to play in position deep when you can put the guy 4 betting you on qq-aa and some aks.
Now if hero has a bunch of 4 bet bluffs it's a different story but that doesn't sound like it's the case here

If villain wants to “outplay us” at a massive equity disadvantage in a 1.3-1.5x SPR pot good luck. We’re not that deep - it’s a straddled pot we are 150 BB’s effective.

more like out flop not out play. He can literally play perfectly knowing hero holds qq=aa and ak

but looking closer I am forgetting about how everything in these games plays so big.
I think my mistake is not taking into consideration that the 4 bet is almost a 100bb which is super lol to me but I know it's std live
for some reason I was thinking this was 2/5 and the four bet was gonna be roughly 50bb not 80 or 90
I read the hh once earlier and just re read it

Agreed. Don't think there's much room for V to outplay H in a 4! pot with this low of an SPR.

Why does everyone wanna 3x 4 bet against this three bet? We raised UTG. Our 4 bet range is going to be narrow and powerful. I think AQs snap folds to 240.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

grunch. I think I'm 4bet/getting it in here tbh. I realise it's deep but if he's shown a semi bluff when 3 betting you already, he can diagnose a 4bet as you playing back at him some of the time and I don't think I'd be folding.

I'd size it up, given our position so going to 280 ish