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AK 2/5/10. Decisions on each street. AK 2/5/10. Decisions on each street.

03-15-2019 , 05:42 AM
Thoughts on all streets would be appreciated.

Hero likely has a TAG or somewhere between TAG and nit image.
Villain plays very lag pre, plays well enough post. Not afraid to stick it in with air. He is likely a winning rec but I’m not sure. He is aware that I know how he plays, we have played together a few times. In a straddled pot that he squeezed I ended up stacking off against him for 50 straddles/100 bb’s with AQo (action was he straddles button, donk jams for $70, I flat +2, two more call, he makes it $300 in his straddle, I ship he calls).

We are playing with an agreed upon UTG straddle.

H (HJ $1000)
BU (fun player $2000+)
SB Main V. ($2000+)
UTG Good pro. ($2000+)

Folds to hero in the HJ who looks down at AhKc and makes it $35. BU calls, SB, $105, folds to H. H$250, BU folds, SB calls.

Pot: $540.

Flop T97 two hearts one diamond. I don’t remember which cards were which suit.

Xx.

Turn Qh

V $250, H?

I think pre is pretty standard against a super wide 3 bet range.

Not the greatest texture to bet on the flop but with a heart I could go either way.

Could go either way on turn between ship and call.
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03-15-2019 , 05:48 AM
i'd just flat turn, i dont see any hand you play this way for value and he has a ton of set and some flushes that are just going to snap call you. if you x range or most of your range here back otf which you probably should, QQ/KK/AA/JJ/AKhh/bluffs, i think your entire range just wants to flat ott
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03-15-2019 , 06:24 AM
I'd either flat the 3 bet and play in position with a range advantage or 4 bet a lot bigger, maybe to 335 or something. taking it down pre with the 4 bet is a good result and we don't mind sigh calling it off if he shoves.

definitely checking back flop

not sure what a ship accomplishes on the turn. that board absolutely smashes his range (particularly given your 4 bet sizing). he has all the sets and JJ for the straight and he shouldn't be folding any of them given your flop check back

I'm torn between a flat and a fold. We have 8 clean outs plus 3 more jacks for the probably nuts and we need to call 250 to win 790. We need to be sure we're getting a bet paid off on the river and I'm not sure we are often enough.
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03-15-2019 , 06:33 AM
There's almost $200 in the pot just ship pre.
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03-15-2019 , 06:41 AM
What kind of 4 bet range would he put you on as a TAG/Nit? And why wouldn't any part of that range bet the flop?

Obvious answer is AK would play you did. So unless he's not very good (which you say he's a winning rec at 2/5), he knows what you have. Unless he's completely bluffing, he's going to call a shove. If the 4th heart comes, and you shove, he's going to figure you have the ace of hearts and fold. I'd just get out of the way and fold.
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03-15-2019 , 08:13 AM
4betting dictates we will have to continue on most flops given our range advantage, imho. The sizing was small enough whereby a barrel off is possible if we pickup equity on the turn, which we did.

Having the Ah removes a handful of draws from his 4b calling range, so we might be able to continue with downsizing, say $200ish, and potentially gii on equity p/up turns. Depends how well opponent knows your game, specifically sizing in 3b/4b hands. If you had AhAx/KhKx, what would be your flop sizing?

As played, our hand looks exactly like what it is. Opponent seems to play decently post, so it’s uncertain we get the payoff with a river bink. I’d let it go.
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03-15-2019 , 08:34 AM
I promise I’m not that bad where I’m only checking AK on this flop and none of my value. I think there is a reasonable argument as Minatorr said to check range here actually. My thinking in game was pretty close to what he wrote. If we were deeper I would definitely think check range is the way to go. Against someone who is going to have a lot of marginal hands and bluff a lot I actually think checking range a lot of value works well as an exploit even if it’s not standard. I do think betting flop or folding turn are worth considering though. On the turn I thought his range was wide enough though that sets were a small enough part to at least call here getting 3:1

Last edited by Badreg2017; 03-15-2019 at 09:04 AM.
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03-15-2019 , 01:51 PM
I go more pre and ship most flops. As played, flat the turn. We might even be ahead, but shoving turn doesn't accomplish too much.
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03-15-2019 , 02:05 PM
Pre standard, flop std, turn flat

Flop is close to a range check

On pre, the weird thing about 2.5x live is that it has zero fold equity. Track it. It is actually zero. Thats not necessarily a bad thing for range but just something to think about
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03-15-2019 , 02:25 PM
+1 dislike pre sizing.

You have zero FE with that sizing. Given how wide he’s 3bet you’re going to be 4! as wide as 99+ for value and you really don’t want him calling when you have JJ-99.

I don’t necessarily agree with range check either. We’re going to have quite a few sets on this board and the SPR is small enough and board wet enough we can just bet/call our value hands. Just because he “can” have sets doesn’t mean he does with any meaningful frequency given how wide he is pre.
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03-15-2019 , 03:16 PM
I dislike pre-sizing twice. Bet more than 35 and the 250 is especially horrific. Something like 400 is much better.

Calling turn as played.
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03-15-2019 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Minatorr
i'd just flat turn, i dont see any hand you play this way for value and he has a ton of set and some flushes that are just going to snap call you. if you x range or most of your range here back otf which you probably should, QQ/KK/AA/JJ/AKhh/bluffs, i think your entire range just wants to flat ott
I agree with this. I can't see any good reason to rip turn here as V is offering you a really good price and we lose our positional advantage on the river if V checks that street.
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03-15-2019 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
Pre standard, flop std, turn flat

Flop is close to a range check

On pre, the weird thing about 2.5x live is that it has zero fold equity. Track it. It is actually zero. Thats not necessarily a bad thing for range but just something to think about
Could I impose upon you to explain this further? Is this a heuristic observation, or a Solver result?

Thanks!!
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03-15-2019 , 05:14 PM
Just an observation. There is fold equity online which is a part of the benefit of the sizing.

and from solvers?...op, what do solvers do ip vs this sizing using standard ranges?
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03-15-2019 , 05:30 PM
A solver is going to tell you to stuff pre here.
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03-15-2019 , 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by SABR42
A solver is going to tell you to stuff pre here.
Stuffing doesn’t give villain a chance to 5bet jam himself.
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03-15-2019 , 06:29 PM
I’m not interested in what a solver does in this actual hand.

I’m curious what parts of its sb vs hj 3bet range folds to a hj 2.5x 4bet...assuming 100bb stacks and no caller in between.
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03-15-2019 , 06:36 PM
I think you played it great OP. Flop is a good check, call turn.
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03-15-2019 , 07:35 PM
I don’t have the preflop solver, maybe I’ll upgrade to it at some point.

As played I called turn.
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03-16-2019 , 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
I’m not interested in what a solver does in this actual hand.

I’m curious what parts of its sb vs hj 3bet range folds to a hj 2.5x 4bet...assuming 100bb stacks and no caller in between.
Definitely not zero. I should probably buy PIO sometime soon.
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03-16-2019 , 12:52 AM
Against this LAG, I'm tempted to make it $400 pre and ship 100% of flops. As played, fold to the turn bet.
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03-16-2019 , 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Minatorr
Definitely not zero. I should probably buy PIO sometime soon.
ikr, that’s why I’m curious.

Online I get snap folds a lot. Actually about a year ago I was 2.5x 4betting my entire range co vs btn 3bet bc it generated folds like 95% of the time.

It was a trend that lasted awhile but then people caught on and stopped auto 3betting buttons and auto folding to 2.5x. But it still has quite a bit of fold equity.

Whereas live it quite literally is zero. And I’m not sure what that means we want to do. 3x is the logical answer that comes to mind, but 3x 4bet sounds so gross in 2019.
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03-16-2019 , 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Badreg2017
As played I called turn.
And...?
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03-16-2019 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz
Stuffing doesn’t give villain a chance to 5bet jam himself.
The thing is, you aren't going to induce a worse hand to shove very often. Most of the time villain is only jamming with a hand that would have a called a shove if you jammed. What I'd rather not do is give QJs or something a profitable call to hit a pair on me on the flop.
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03-16-2019 , 05:07 PM
jamming lets you win $155+your $35 invested. Not a bad result.
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