Late friday night game at a 1/2 $ table. Game has been spewy and laggy both post and pre. Several deep stacked players and a few Vs taking very weird lines. Most pots over 200 $.

Villain (800$): MAWG. Rec player, never seen him here before. Been 3! pre but hasn't gone to showdown. Flatted AQo pre and called down a few hands earlier for 600 $ pot on 56J Q K board. Does not seem to know hand values and a very bad player overall. c/r me from a 30 $ bet to 230 $ a few hands earlier on A3Kr board after I had been the aggressor pre and c bet flop. Has had a few drinks and here with two other friends at the table (who are rec laggy as well)

Hero (670 $): Young 20s kid. Been fairly active running hot on cards and tried to isolate weaker villains. Probably seen as a winning player but doubt villain is paying more attention than that. Been raising and 3! a lot pre the last few orbits but showed down strong holdings when got to showdown. Hasn't been caught bluffing but feel some players might start suspecting my aggressive play.

OTTH

folds to hero in UTG +2. Looks down at A J . Raises to 10 $ (raises have been between 8-16 $). 4 players call, including V in SB.

Flop (52 $): J 3 2

V donks for 45 $. Hero is next to act and raises to 120 $. Feel like the donk bet is often a draw and want to charge him for that. Also to isolate a very weak player where we have a good edge. Folds to V who tank 3! To 300 $.

Hero?

Ugh. I'd gambool and shove it since my gut reaction is A/K high flush draw, but that's probably the wrong answer.

Fold, you've represented an a lot of strength by coming over his flop opener to 120, I doubt he read anything into your $10 pre bet.

If you read his tanking as honest, I say he's wondering if his 2P or 3rdS is better than your TP/OP/2P/TS/2ndS. I highly doubt he puts you on the straight/flush draws, and wouldn't expect you to just call and be completely pot committed with over half your stack in the middle without just shoving it in. He's decided he's good and wants to play for stacks, and his all-in range is above your TPTK, BDFD.

The hands you have the odds to flip for stacks against (draws and 2ndP/3rdP) are definitely not the majority of my assessment for his range.

Problem is that I think he plays his KJ, QJ and other random J the same way strongly overvaluing his TP. Just remembered that about an hour before this he said "nice hand" to his friend who cold 4 bet from SB with Q10o and donked flop and turn against two other players on 510Q7 board and got lucky and hit a 10. And I feel this Vs "nice hand" comment was sincere.

So I can range him on a lot of naked Js that might do this as well. However, do we want to play for stacks in this position?

I am thinking this is VERY relevant

Definitely. However, I have no idea how to interpret it. I had AJ too in that hand and folded. So I'm blocking a few A combos and don't think he has AA, KK, AK or AQ since he's been 3! a lot pre. No idea if he's really that terrible that he would do it with pocket 3's but feel like he would slowplay them at least one street. Only reasonable hand is A3 or a complete bluff (which doesn't make sense either). Maybe other combos of A10/A9 etc. Thoughts on this?

A near potsized donkbet oop in raised multiway is likely rarely a draw from anyone @ 1/2

As played its a standard fold unless there's other pertinent info you haven't included....

You said he just called down the AQ on the 5 6 J Q K board. If he was overplaying his tp hands, wouldn't he raise turn there ?

That coupled with what Timmay said, it's a fold.

I fold AP, but I'm not raising him OTF. If he wants to pot the flop with a draw while I have TPTK, that's fine with me.

Yah I don't see any value in raising the flop either. He's playing it like middle or bottom set. Probably folding the turn to another pot sized bet.

Hate raising the flop. We want to play a huge pot worth 350bbs with TPTK? We can see a safe turn and raise or simply call down versus this villain on safe run outs.

I hate cbetting AK3r with AJ too. It sucks to get raised off our hand.

If you don't know what to do when you're raised, don't bet.

If you don't know what to do when 3b, don't raise.

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We can generally get a lot of information from the V by flagging the flop. Perhaps his turn sizing gives away the strength of his hand. What was the plan? Raise flop and try to get two more streets with perfect runouts with just TPTK? If we are 50-100bbs deep then go ahead and GII against this V. 350bbs deep let's not over play top pair