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12-16-2014 , 03:09 PM
1/2 NL 9 handed casino game

Table is your standard lose passive 1/2 game with 2-3 playing tight.

H (100$) : 30's white guy, have been playing tight for the last 3 hours or so. Just lost a pot 2 hands ago, got it in with AA vs KK on a TJ6 board for a 200$ pot with another vilain and he scooped a K on the river. Has not rebought yet so sitting at 50BB for this hand.

V (covers) : 40's white guy. Opens wide preflop from all position and seems to play ABC post. Have not seen him get out of line post but plays like 50/40 pre. Has been sitting at the table for an hour.

BTN (covers) : 40's weak passive arabian guy

Pre - V limps UTG, MP+1 limps, BTN limps, H in sb looks at AdJd and raise to 20, V calls, BTN calls.

Flop (62$) - Ts Tc 2h
H bet 34, V calls, BTN folds.

Turn (130$) - Ts Tc 2h 7d
H allin for 46$

Is it spew ?
My tought process for betting the flop was that i was ahead of both their limp/calling range on this board, and by betting twice with my tight image i could get them to fold small PP on the turn if they called otf.

not used to 50BB poker sadface
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12-16-2014 , 04:15 PM
Bluffing with no money behind is generally terrible. Alot of bluffs work on turn because villain knows you will probably bet river also.

With this said. I don't mind cbet. Get folds enough to justify it and it protects your equity.

Jamming turn I don't like. Can't see getting any pair to fold getting over 3:1. You have Ace high. Check behind with your equity.
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12-16-2014 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by sadface42
Is it spew ?
My tought process for betting the flop was that i was ahead of both their limp/calling range on this board, and by betting twice with my tight image i could get them to fold small PP on the turn if they called otf.

not used to 50BB poker sadface
the problem is, i think you are betting too light. right now on the turn you are giving him a good price to call, even if he has a mediocre hand like.

50BB is right above the short stack range, if you treat it as a short stack, raising a little bigger pre, and jamming on the flop would be better. without a lot of money behind your options are limited. i actually think limping pre isnt a terrible idea, unless BB is super aggro.
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12-16-2014 , 04:31 PM
Shove the flop > c bet small and shove turn.

I really don't think shoving is a bad play here.
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12-16-2014 , 04:44 PM
A lot of what is said above...

Pre: 50bbs is tough to play - I think I am limping pre, considering we are short and our hand plays fairly well mutli-way; and just leading all TP and FD, etc. - it should not be that difficult to play for stacks with <50bbs back.

Raising really big ($30 or so) and shoving all flops seems like a reasonable approach as well - we p/u dead money pre a lot or go HU and pick up pot post fairly often / make best hand enough.

As played... Flop is a check, we should not expect to get V's off of a hand that beats us and we are way to short to bet/fold - if you are going to bet... shove.

Turn - turn is really bad, we need to check here. We should never expect to get a better hand to fold. We need to look at V range... he has not got out of line .... his range should be heavily weighted towards hands like AT-T8, 22-TT - of which he is probably not folding any of this for $46. We are most certainly not getting call on flop or turn by a worse hand...

Complete ... check/fold flop.
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12-16-2014 , 05:31 PM
Unless I know the table is really tight preflop to raises I don't mind just completing with a hand like AJ OOP because it is very hard to know what to do post flop with a bloated pot OOP. You now have to stab at the pot with no information or hope you hit the flop. I don't like building a pot when I have no hand. You are now giving the advantage to the other players who have position on you. Sure you are a head of their range preflop but not by much. They have high cards and pocket pairs usually. And if it comes 1010x and you bet you are always getting calling by better. A better flop would be 336 or something like that and of course A high and J high dry flops. Ther other problem you have here is you only have a 50BB stack and that puts you in a bit of a pot commited situation when you start raising to 20 and getting callers. So yes it is spewy, but its a simple fix.
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12-16-2014 , 05:52 PM
Id rather shove flop if that's your intention... You didn't leave enough for the turn... On this stack I prob don't raise this pre w out a plan if shoving every flop
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12-16-2014 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Jmrode67
A lot of what is said above...

Pre: 50bbs is tough to play - I think I am limping pre, considering we are short and our hand plays fairly well mutli-way; and just leading all TP and FD, etc. - it should not be that difficult to play for stacks with <50bbs back.
^^^^ T H I S ^^^^

I'm a short stack aficionado. This is a limp. OOP is why. It's maybe a shove as well depending on your mood and desire to earn later action. I will do it blind in this spot and never mind showing rags even if uncalled. That play is best at a nittier table.

Saturday 10pm. I sit. Very grey haired table. 6 way limp, I'm BB and push 33 BBs. Slow played KK calls but I anounce my blind shove and have 93. Next hand SB, 3 come in for 4bb. I push 33bb with JJ and harvest one caller and win. Next hand one raise to 5bb and I push again with KK. They thought long and hard, almost called.

Good cards, good timing but little actual risk plus it's fun. Mike Caro would approve.
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12-16-2014 , 06:35 PM
Like others have stated, you have no barreling leverage with 50bb. Get it in latest by the flop or keep the pot small till you hit a hand.
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12-16-2014 , 06:56 PM
Bluffing with air at short stacked LLSNL makes you the fish. Bluffing generally requires one of three things:

- Your opponents have weak hands
- You have a deep enough stack to scare your opponent into folding a pair
- The board is scary enough that your opponent folds because they see a flush, straight, etc.

TT2 is a good flop for bluffing because it misses most playable hands (only two Ts left in the deck and most players don't play 2s). Experienced Villains know that and they call with any pocket pair. An Ace or King on the turn would be a good bluff card (hence QJ is a great hand to play because you can bluff the AK and hit the QJ) since Villains put you on AK whenever they justify calling the flop with a pocket pair. Once the 7 hits, the Villain figures that if his guess that he was good on the flop was right, he's still good and he snap calls leaving you with 6 outs.
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12-16-2014 , 06:57 PM
If we gamble here OOP with a short stack, we often get the immediate opportunity to make a full buyin. We are aware that being OOP we often don't know what we are against and this makes such a play less desirable.

We do need to mix up our play but it's better to do it in position.
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