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I don't agree that we should fold to the 4!. We are $1500 effective getting 4.5:1 odds on our call ($260 in the pot, $60 more for us to call, with BB likely coming along juicing our odds).

At this point, his 4! range over OP's possible squeezing range could be as wide as JJ+. And considering how deep we are, our position, and UTG's poor position in the middle of us and BB, I think flatting is easily our best bet.

I wouldn't assume he is that wide without having any reads on him so I would default him to a premium pair and we're only 12% vs aces

09-28-2015 , 04:25 PM

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wiffle

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there's no way your posts are real
nobody is this dumb

09-28-2015 , 04:26 PM

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wiffle

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also, it was a 7bet, not a 6bet

09-28-2015 , 04:27 PM

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Mr_Doomed

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I think the most concerning thing is the fact that we have Zero reads. No one is questioning whether this happened or not. What the questions are is why did you decide to 5 bet a cold 4 bet from the villan in the blinds?

If you can't give reasons for that this this is beyond terrible. I mean the fact that you didn't provide reads or assumed that it wasn't important to provide them is a sign. It means to are lighting money on fire by 4 betting and even more money by 6 bet shoving. Villans put in 33% of his stack and you seem to think you have fold equity based on nothing at all.

09-28-2015 , 04:50 PM

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darO

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I mean if you want to hope villain is 6 bet folding 33% of his stack with KK than go with that

LOL villain

09-28-2015 , 04:56 PM

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wiffle

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Doomed

I think the most concerning thing is the fact that we have Zero reads. No one is questioning whether this happened or not. What the questions are is why did you decide to 5 bet a cold 4 bet from the villan in the blinds?

If you can't give reasons for that this this is beyond terrible. I mean the fact that you didn't provide reads or assumed that it wasn't important to provide them is a sign. It means to are lighting money on fire by 4 betting and even more money by 6 bet shoving. Villans put in 33% of his stack and you seem to think you have fold equity based on nothing at all.

i dont believe this happened

09-28-2015 , 05:00 PM

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matzah_ball

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6 combos vs 3 combos or not, you're assuming:

Villain 6bets KK (he might call the 5 bet instead, as he should)

Villain folds KK to shove (unlikely given the odds he's getting)

The 3bet and 5bet are also very bad.

09-28-2015 , 05:03 PM

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atenesq

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Hero did such a good job of talking himself into thinking he was in a leveling war that Villain bought it too. Good god this hand/thread.

09-28-2015 , 05:22 PM

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scelsi

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sierradave

bluffs are always less successful when you're trying to convince someone to change their mind. They're more successful when you're trying to convince them of something they were already prepared to believe.

This is pretty solid advice imo.

09-28-2015 , 05:27 PM

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scelsi

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Playbig2000

Regarding the results:

Spoiler:

Definitely not a barg. It was a weird spot and I'm def not convinced it wasn't a fluke, esp. after reading responses.

It's def interesting to note that, having no read on Hero other than he's got a ***load of chips, if we're V then the consensus is to 5!-gii with KK this deep...

09-28-2015 , 05:29 PM

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scelsi

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Doomed

What the questions are is why did you decide to 5 bet a cold 4 bet from the villan in the blinds?

V didn't cold 4-bet, he opened UTG. BB cold-called Hero's raise from the BU. Some ppl noted that my raise is really a 3! Sorry for the confusion).

09-28-2015 , 05:33 PM

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scelsi

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Quote:

Originally Posted by matzah_ball

The 3bet and 5bet are also very bad

Good point, I was mainly concerned that I am just lighting money on fire if I flat the $115 and BB makes it like $375 to go (cause the flat-backraise is always AA).

09-28-2015 , 05:59 PM

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DontBeThatGuy

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scelsi

Good point, I was mainly concerned that I am just lighting money on fire if I flat the $115 and BB makes it like $375 to go (cause the flat-backraise is always AA).

You were concerned about lighting money on fire by flatting $115 and then having bb wake up with AA and 4betting? So to prevent lighting money on fire you decide to 4b to $285 so that when bb wakes up with AA he can 5b? Solid logic. Way to not light money on fire.

09-28-2015 , 06:01 PM

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wj94

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Trying to get someone to fold KK pre is probably a bad idea. Trying to get someone to fold AA pre is probably a worse idea.

09-28-2015 , 07:33 PM

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WereBeer

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Not sure I like our strategy of building up a 750bb stack with the intention of setting fire to it at the end of the night.

09-28-2015 , 07:40 PM

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Leobzook

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Where are these 1/2 games happening where people 7 bet shove in AJdd and 6 bet fold kings?

09-28-2015 , 07:54 PM

#42

iraisetoomuch

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I'm pretty sure this thread has run its course.

Good job at doing at doing something that most poeple don't do that often OP.
Getting someone else to fold KK pre flop.
Lighting large chunks of money on fire but getting away with it somehow.

I would encourage you to not do this in the future as you will likely lose your stack and not be very happy about it.

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