AJo EP go for three streets with TPTK?
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Just sat down, first hand, couple limps to H on BB who sees AsJc, makes it 12$, one caller..
V talks a lot, knows basics but seems fit or fold based on the way he talks.
Flop 25$: J 7 5 rainbow
H bets 20$ (too much?), V calls.
Turn 65$: 9x
H bets 35$ (too little?), V calls.
River 135$: 5x
H checks?
Should this be a two street hand? b/b/x? b/x/b is better maybe? Folding to anu raise? Not sure about AJo from EP.
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What is Villains stack size? If he started hand with 100 BB's, I'm shoving the river targeting all Jx. This board and runout is a dream for our hand. We are only losing to JJ, 77, J9, or 55 once we get to river, and I would highly discount these hands since V did not raise by now. River is definitely a bet.
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sorry. Hero bought in max 100 bbs, V covers barely.
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Are we sure EV is greater shoving what's basically a PSB on river vs Jx rather than betting something like 1/2 pot?
I *think* it is. But I'm not sure.
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I think our hand is doing well enough against unknown villains' limping ranges that we can make it larger pre and almost never be called by anything that has you dominated. This makes things a little more straightforward for us postflop OOP and readless (but operating under the assumption that their leak is that they call too much, don't limp with balanced ranges, etc).
Flop sizing is debatable, but it's one of the acceptable sizes. Again, I would probably lean toward sizing up with a strong hand OOP against unknown players, especially since the fact that we're HU makes this not really seem like a big bet in absolute terms.
Turn is definitely a bet once the 9 rolls off. A great portion of villain's range is going to be pair+GSSD since any connected hand pretty much has that exactly. I'd probably make it bigger if for no other reason that being raised ****ing sucks here, and assume that his calling range will sort itself out when our hand is this strong. Also sets up a nice river shove.
OTR ... I mean, I'm in my 20s, I have messy hair, I bring a backpack full of green chips, and I shuffle my chips constantly, so I think I instantly earn light call downs (especially when the river is the biggest dud in the deck), so I just go for it. It is worth noting that given the dryness of the flop, villain has a lot of better hands that he makes it to the river with this way, so you have to actually get a reasonable amount of calls for this to maintain its status as vbet. If you feel like you have to size down to achieve that, then I would not call you a nit for doing so.
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bet river for sure.
I'd prefer to bet a bit smaller on such a dry flop, and then go bigger on turn...pretty much opposite of your proportions.
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Jx is never folding, so I'm betting river, like $50. I don't want to bet too much and fold out worse.
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Yeah I also worry a villain that knows basics and plays fit or fold postflop would be blown off Jx with a river shove. Idk
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what if our hand was KJo.. would you guys even open from EP? limp? I usually nit fold it but just wondering how people would play KJo different here on this runout.
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I'm inclined to limp KJo from EP if the table is full of droolers. Folding otherwise.
I wouldn't play the hand differently postflop than AJo on this runout with the exception that I'm never shoving river. Probably betting 1/2 pot.
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Originally Posted by cannabusto
I'm inclined to limp KJo from EP if the table is full of droolers. Folding otherwise.
I wouldn't play the hand differently postflop than AJo on this runout with the exception that I'm never shoving river. Probably betting 1/2 pot.
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Line looks good. I'd bet/fold about $50 on the river.
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Thanks for the advice guys.
Hero checked river since V seemed competent and was totally unknown. V checked back and showed AJs for the chop.
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