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08-16-2017 , 08:33 PM
Hello,

V1 is unknown to me and I am unknown to him.
BTN is a calling station. If he likes the hand can cold call a 3bet until $40 at least.



Preflop: Hero is UTG with AJ

Hero bets $7 ($350 stack), UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 call ($+500 stack), MP1 folds, MP2 raises to $25 ($155 stack), MP3 folds, BTN call, blinds fold, Hero completes, UTG+2 completes.


Flop: ($103) J 3 2 (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, V1 raises $130 and is all-in, BTN folds, Hero???


Should be a call preflop or a fold?

With the A is this a easy fold against an unknown player?
And without the A?
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08-16-2017 , 08:53 PM
Probably folding pre
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08-16-2017 , 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by SaFrias
Hello,

V1 is unknown to me and I am unknown to him.
BTN is a calling station. If he likes the hand can cold call a 3bet until $40 at least.



Preflop: Hero is UTG with AJ

Hero bets $7 ($350 stack), UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 call ($+500 stack), MP1 folds, MP2 raises to $25 ($155 stack), MP3 folds, BTN call, blinds fold, Hero completes, UTG+2 completes.


Flop: ($103) J 3 2 (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, V1 raises $130 and is all-in, BTN folds, Hero???


Should be a call preflop or a fold?

With the A is this a easy fold against an unknown player?
And without the A?
This is not what "completes" means. Who is V1? And V didnt "raise" if there wasn't a bet before it got to him.

Your Ace being the Ah means close to nothing with this action.

Oh...and fold to the 3 bet preflop.

PS...please dont open raise to $7 in a 1/2 game, especially from UTG.
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08-16-2017 , 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
This is not what "completes" means. Who is V1? And V didnt "raise" if there wasn't a bet before it got to him.

Your Ace being the Ah means close to nothing with this action.

Oh...and fold to the 3 bet preflop.

PS...please dont open raise to $7 in a 1/2 game, especially from UTG.
V1 is MP3 who raised to $25
He raised my UTG open to $7.

$7 is the normal open raise in a 1/2 game at my local casino.

I think that having the A i can exclude some flush draws that would have raised me pre flop AQ, AK and maybe KQ
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08-16-2017 , 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by SaFrias
V1 is MP3 who raised to $25
He raised my UTG open to $7.

$7 is the normal open raise in a 1/2 game at my local casino.


I think that having the A i can exclude some flush draws that would have raised me pre flop AQ, AK and maybe KQ
98% of 1/2 players stink. Why do you want to do what everyone else does? Don't let "your casino" determine what YOU do.

Also, probably 90%+ of all 1/2 players will not 3 bet preflop without JJ+ or AK. Just fold preflop. You are almost never ahead preflop and even when you flop a J you're going to be behind the vast majority of the time.

As I said, the Ah doesnt mean very much, but you are correct, its less likely that he has AhQh or AhKh which is even more reason for you to fold the flop if you didnt fold preflop. Having said that I dont know how you fold AJ on this flop if you got to the flop. You couldnt have been hoping to flop JJx right? So I guess you have to call now but when you get stacked, please fold preflop next time.
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08-16-2017 , 09:18 PM
I guess this is 1/2?

Initial pre-flop raise is too loose IMO. My min is usu AJs/AQo there, but depends on the game. Calling the 3bet is pretty bad. You're dominated by AQ & AK, and behind JJ+. The call is even worse b/c the 3better is short stacked.

Anyway, as played I probably call b/c this is a short-stack who often has AK but the bigger point is that you got a great flop for AJ and if this is not an insta-call then obviously calling the 3bet pre is terrible.

Sorry, tough love and all that.
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08-16-2017 , 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by spider
I guess this is 1/2?

Initial pre-flop raise is too loose IMO. My min is usu AJs/AQo there, but depends on the game. Calling the 3bet is pretty bad. You're dominated by AQ & AK, and behind JJ+. The call is even worse b/c the 3better is short stacked.

Anyway, as played I probably call b/c this is a short-stack who often has AK but the bigger point is that you got a great flop for AJ and if this is not an insta-call then obviously calling the 3bet pre is terrible.

Sorry, tough love and all that.
To you AJo would go directly to the muck UTG?

yes, it is 1/2.
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08-16-2017 , 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
98% of 1/2 players stink. Why do you want to do what everyone else does? Don't let "your casino" determine what YOU do.
There isn't anything wrong with opening to $7
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08-16-2017 , 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by SaFrias
To you AJo would go directly to the muck UTG?
The initial raise is not that bad (but still somewhat bad), calling a 3bet is terrible (google "poker dominated hands"). If you don't already know that stuff, go read some poker books. My personal recomendation is every book with Ed Miller as author or co-author.
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08-16-2017 , 09:58 PM
Yes, AJo utg is an instamuck for most. If I'm against a particularly aggressive btn or co who has been raising wide against limpers, I might limp, 3! as an iso play but otherwise the only flop you're going to love is jjx(7 or below) and if that magical flop comes you've got the deck crippled or are drawing to 3 outs if you get stacks in behind.
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08-16-2017 , 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ahsfl
Yes, AJo utg is an instamuck for most. If I'm against a particularly aggressive btn or co who has been raising wide against limpers, I might limp, 3! as an iso play but otherwise the only flop you're going to love is jjx(7 or below) and if that magical flop comes you've got the deck crippled or are drawing to 3 outs if you get stacks in behind.
I understand your point. Maybe AJs in EP is ok but AJo could be a litle bit to ambitious.

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Originally Posted by spider
The initial raise is not that bad (but still somewhat bad), calling a 3bet is terrible (google "poker dominated hands"). If you don't already know that stuff, go read some poker books. My personal recomendation is every book with Ed Miller as author or co-author.

Never read Ed Miller books, but I am already searching. Which book would you recommend?
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08-16-2017 , 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Eholeing
There isn't anything wrong with opening to $7
OK. If you want to constantly be playing hands 6 ways to the flop from UTG, go for it. Let me know how it works out for you.
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08-16-2017 , 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by SaFrias
I understand your point. Maybe AJs in EP is ok but AJo could be a litle bit to ambitious.




Never read Ed Miller books, but I am already searching. Which book would you recommend?
Getting started in Hold Em' is a great place to start.
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