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07-17-2015 , 02:28 PM
Villian is basically a maniac post flop. He had a big stack earlier and spewed off like 400BB. been folding pre a bit lately. I expect him to play back with any piece of board. Does a lot of overbet shipping on turn. Very sticky. Not folding a flush draw, OESD or pair plus gutter, ever. Hard to read.

Hero has a tight image. Been kinda card dead.

1/2

Hero (covers) opens AJ, V ($150ish) calls on button, blinds fold.

Flop 456

Hero? Plan?

If I c bet I expect villain to float or raise me with any piece. Probably auto betting if I check. Barrelling off with lot´s of stuff.
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07-17-2015 , 02:29 PM
Isn't it pretty obvious? Check/fold.
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07-17-2015 , 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard Parker
Isn't it pretty obvious? Check/fold.
This is what I'd do.
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07-17-2015 , 07:13 PM
What did you bet preflop and how big is the pot on the flop? Not that it matter much, this is the sort of board where a maniac can make you life miserable. The only run out you want to see is runner-runner club flush. If the pot is reasonably small I would c-bet this sometimes, but most just check/fold.
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07-17-2015 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard Parker
Isn't it pretty obvious? Check/fold.
Refreshinglingly succinct. As winning players, we shouldn't fight for EVERY pot. Especially against a V with this profile who will ship us his stack in a better spot.
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07-17-2015 , 11:06 PM
How you managed to open without wagering anything is clearly a rules violation and the dealer should be immediately fired.


If you'd raised to say $12 and v had called, then checking would be the obvious play.
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07-17-2015 , 11:44 PM
I'm sorry, why are yous folding?

V barrel off and we has a good A. X/c.
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07-18-2015 , 01:33 AM
You tell em Mr. Lap.
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07-18-2015 , 01:40 AM
LOL. I totally agree with not folding...

Yay for burning money.
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07-18-2015 , 01:43 AM
Not a real player among the lot of em, Lap.
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07-18-2015 , 01:56 AM
Folding bc V has so many 3x, 7x, 45s, 56s, and 67s in his range. There isn't a circumstance outside of runner runner where you beat any 2 pair or straight hand. Even if V does't have one of those hands, its likely he is betting the whole way due to image. Sometimes he shows up with made hands and I'd rather play in a spot with A high no draw on wet board.
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07-18-2015 , 02:07 AM
Just to be clear folding to a bet is very much superior. I say this because you're not playing just the flop. This is a good example of how bad players get in trouble by not considering what's to come after the immediate decision. You're OOP to a maniac with air. You must understand that you're making a decision for your stack right now. Not later.
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07-18-2015 , 02:52 PM
I checked the flop, he bet a decent amount and I folded. Felt like a pussy.
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07-18-2015 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by kookiemonster
I checked the flop, he bet a decent amount and I folded. Felt like a pussy.
Sounds like you are.

Next time, man up and raise.
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07-18-2015 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by kookiemonster
I checked the flop, he bet a decent amount and I folded. Felt like a pussy.
Don't be an idiot and play the maniacs game. Yes, he is bluffing in this situation a lot. That doesn't make calling or raising a good idea itself. Particularly on this sort of board where the maniac is likely to make a huge bet on the turn and your not going to have any idea where you stand it just isn't worth getting into the hand at all.

If the maniac has a fold button you need to play tight enough that he folds to your raises unless he has a hand. If he doesn't have a fold button you just need to wait till your ahead of his range and force him to pay to find out if his actual hand is ahead or not.

Against a maniac who likes to over bet the turn, play when you have position on him so you can check back on the turn. Force him to guess if you checked a draw, air, or a big hand.
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07-19-2015 , 12:48 AM
Optimal way to play versus maniac.

1. Decide the minimum hand you need to call with.

2. Once you get your hand, don't fold.

3. Almost never raise. Let the maniac think he has control.

Maye, A-high isn't good enough against your particular maniac.

Usually, its more than enough.
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07-19-2015 , 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by kookiemonster
I checked the flop, he bet a decent amount and I folded. Felt like a pussy.
Learn how to play with a pussy image.
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07-19-2015 , 12:53 AM
One way, but definitely wouldn't use the term optimal.
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07-19-2015 , 01:24 AM
Raising a maniac is almost always a terrible idea.

He's a fng maniac... He's going to 3b u.
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07-19-2015 , 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Lapidator
I'm sorry, why are yous folding?

V barrel off and we has a good A. X/c.
It's hard to define a realistic range for V against which we have substantially >50% equity. And that's assuming he barrels off with air 100% of the time. We have 45% equity against ATC, fwiw.
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