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07-18-2019 , 12:03 AM
3/5/10 9 player $25 Bomb Pot Action Table
The Main V has been playing very loose. AI for $600 w 64o on 236 flop previous bomb pot.

H ($1050) on SB w 7c7h.
Flop Qs7s2s. H x utg AI for $220
MP thought for long time an folded
HJ AI for $400. Btn V ($1200) AI
Action back to me w 3 AI in front of me. Is this a mandatory call with a set of 77?

Was thinking if even if I am beat by other, I can still get value from side pot with V on the button.
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07-18-2019 , 01:02 AM
Getting around 3:1 on a call with middle set, so I'd pretty happily call. Probs behind a made flush somewhere but you have the boat outs anway
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07-18-2019 , 04:03 AM
You’re getting direct odds to draw and if you’re very lucky you won’t have to.
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07-18-2019 , 05:20 AM
What was the action preflop?

Assuming the pot is around 1620 and it was limped around pf, a call is going to be 1050 or you're getting about 1.5:1, not 3:1. The button didn't want you around, so I'd say he has a made hand, not a draw.

I'd call because there's a chance we might actually be ahead. This isn't a no brainer and if it is +EV, it isn't highly +EV. However, I don't tilt when I lose 100 BB. If losing this hand will cause you to tilt, you should fold. You're going to lose even more at the table after you blow up that will wipe out any +EV you had.
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07-18-2019 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by venice10
What was the action preflop?

Assuming the pot is around 1620 and it was limped around pf, a call is going to be 1050 or you're getting about 1.5:1, not 3:1. The button didn't want you around, so I'd say he has a made hand, not a draw.

I'd call because there's a chance we might actually be ahead. This isn't a no brainer and if it is +EV, it isn't highly +EV. However, I don't tilt when I lose 100 BB. If losing this hand will cause you to tilt, you should fold. You're going to lose even more at the table after you blow up that will wipe out any +EV you had.
It's a bomb pot -> no preflop action. Still calling though.
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07-18-2019 , 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by zmush
It's a bomb pot -> no preflop action. Still calling though.
I've obviously never played in a room that had them. Thank you for letting me know.
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07-18-2019 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by venice10
I've obviously never played in a room that had them. Thank you for letting me know.
These are (somewhat) frequently played on Live at the Bike, if you google for "bomb pot LATB" you'll get plenty of videos. They create very strange dynamics.
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07-18-2019 , 01:57 PM
No preflop action so this is 9 handed to the flop? Sick
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07-18-2019 , 02:13 PM
I mean OP is almost always behind.

UTG is very short here. He's probably willing to get it in here with any Qx, any 7 or 2 w/ a high spade, As/maybe Ks, and obv any better made hand than 1 pair.

HJ is probably getting in here w/ As, QxJs+, and made hands better as well. Once again, he's short relative to the pot size

One thing I do NOT think $1200 stack vil has is the nut flush. It's so unlikely anyone has any equity at all, that he may try to induce overcalls behind. I think he's mostly going to show up here with lower than the nut flushes, sets, Q7, Q2, As, and QxJs+ as well. I think even an aggro fish isn't going to go with bottom 2 or like 8s7 here.

They should also have AA/KK in their ranges.

Against all of this, you have 34.7% equity. More importantly, you win at showdown approx 60% against aggrofish. I'd call it off. Not thrilled to gamble here but we're going to win our fair share.
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07-18-2019 , 02:43 PM
Not gonna give advice either way since I don’t play stakes that high but you’re having to call 1050 to win a pot of 2950 so you need about 35-36% equity. You have outs to a boat or quads when behind when none of them hold a Q/7/2 and don’t hit the turn card so 7 outs flop 10 turn = 23.4%. However given the number of all ins ahead you likely don’t have that many outs. It’s also not guaranteed that you’re behind here and if one of the shorter stacks is ahead you’re making your money back against the larger stack (who may have more non made draws in his shoving range given the two all ins ahead). You also have one person behind that given the pot size may just throw money in with any draw that gives you a marginal amount of extra equity for a call. I guess you can also account for the fact that the all ins were getting decent odds to draw to a flush if they only had one card since each person shoved for about pot.

That’s all that comes into my mind. Hopefully that helps.


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07-18-2019 , 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by venice10
I've obviously never played in a room that had them. Thank you for letting me know.
In a bomb pot, everyone put in $25 and go directly to the flop. So there’s $225 money in the pot when betting start on the flop.
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07-18-2019 , 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by agent318
In a bomb pot, everyone put in $25 and go directly to the flop. So there’s $225 money in the pot when betting start on the flop.
This is simultaneously the dumbest and the most awesome idea I've ever heard.
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