$1-$3. Effective stacks $380. Villain in hand is a virtual unknown.

2 limps. Villain raises to $15. Folds to hero on the button with KK who 3-bets to $45 (larger? $60?). Only villain calls.

Flop ($100) 1043
Villain checks. Hero bets $75. My thinking is that I can get value from flush draws that will call, J10, 10-9, A10, Q10, and possibly unimproved overcards sometimes call one time. Villain check raises to $175. Hero?

Do we stick the stack in the middle and let nature take its course?

I'm fine with preflop size. This size is easy to have 3bet bluffs with too. Flop bet is too large imo. Now there's $350 in the middle and he's got like $150 remaining, go all in. Not thrilled but definitely playing this one for stacks.

I think V has enough diamond draws, JJ, and QQ, to offset the AA and TT. The check raise kind of looks less like JJ or QQ and more like diamonds, AA, or TT. I don't know how you find a fold against this thin a range though especially against virtual unknown Villain. We made a polarizing bet and forced his hand. I'm probably going broke here. I don't have a lot of Tx in his range the way this played out but I guess that's also possible.

Yeah I think you have to play for stacks here. Pre-flop sizing is good, anything from $45-$55 is fine. I probably bet smaller on the flop, more like half-pot or even smaller. I think it helps us balance out with bluffs like AdKx and stuff.

As played you have $160 left for a pot of ~$350 so never folding.

I’ve lost quite a few buy ins the past two weeks with hands and boards just like this only for the villain to show up with 4-3. I’ve stacked off JJ on similar boards to 52 and AA to 54. This has me seeing monsters.

I'd probably shove in this spot. Not having the Kd also increases the possible diamond draws V could have. Just think his value range is almost exactly AA or TT. Most Vs would limp 3s and 4s. Probably a good hand to poker stove as Vs range seems narrow so we could easily see how we stand and how many combos of flush draws and Qq/JJ we need v to hold to make this profitable.


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I'd 3bet to ~$60 because it gives IO of about 8:1 at that point to make the call, which is pretty poor odds for setmining (considering the number of times he'll make a set and lose, or make a set and not stack us such as on A8x boards). Our raise sizing gives IO of about 13, which while still poor, are about 1.5x as good as a raise to ~$60.

SPR is about 3 and board is slightly drawy, plus there are a couple of worse overpairs that could think they are good, plus we're unknown. I'd ~PSB the flop to shove the turn. Not really a fan of the 3/4 PSB as it leaves a full PSB for the turn (rather PSB the flop to leave a 3/4 PSB for the turn).

I'd likely just get it in and live with results, and this is mainly why I raise more preflop (just to be more comfortable in doing so because it is highly unlikely we'll be able to fold with this SPR).

GcluelessNLnoobG

Regarding my bet size. I’ve been playing around lately with various sizes to keep weaker hands in as opposed to blowing them out of pots.

I would make it $50 with the limpers’ dead money.

Otf i just shove and pray he has worse value or draw, or we suck out vs a set

If you dont want to isolate yourself vs nutted ranges, dont bet so large otf. 1/2-2/3 is fine, and people will make more mistakes against that sizing. When you 3/4 the pot, you’re basically saying ,” “ hey, i have KK/AA/QQ/AQdd/AKdd”

I would agree with this in higher SPR pots where we shouldn't feel committed. In this spot we should likely feel committed, so let's do this thing (especially since draws will call any bet).

GimoG

We still get stacks in with 65% pot otf and shove any turn line, albeit it’s a slight overbet. When you bet really big like this you start polarizing your range, and people tend to continue a little more narrowly (i.e. make less mistakes)

I wouldnt even mind betting 1/3 here and making it a 3 street gMe. They might even hero off 99- putting us on spaz based on small sizing, x/r wider and call off wider, etc. i just thinking betting really big here is one of the less optimal bet sizes when the money’s going in regardless

So bet like $30-$50 on the flop?

Preflop is fine. Flop is fine (bet smaller if you want to balance but at 1/3 you don't have to do this as much as you want to build big pots). Fist pump jam now. Well played! If he has any of the sets or AA, so be it. Get the money in now and get good at fading the flush.

I’d choose 1/3 or 60-$65. Depends on what you want to do with your range otf, but i believe either sizing is going to show a little more EV than just bombing it 75-85% pot

1/3 implying you bet 80%+ of your range otf, 60-65% pot probably around 40% to 60% of your range

If the board was less drawy (say even remove the flush draw) I'd be cooler with a 3street idea. But on drawy boards I would more lean to PSBs (especially targeting draws which are never folding to a flop bet). We also get better max value from hands like 99- if they decide to call a suspicious looking why-so-much-bet before half the deck scares them away on the turn (and by the turn a lotta weak hands are folding to a double barrel often anyways).

GimoG

[QUOTE=c0rnBr34d;54028930]I think V has enough diamond draws, JJ, and QQ, to offset the AA and TT.QUOTE]

+1

The board really isnt that drawy for a 3b pot. The iso raiser shouldnt have many 65s/A5s/A4s in his range, esp they are more likely to fold OOP if for some reason they're being aggrotards and even iso-raising them in the first place. The only draws he can have are NFDs/maybe KQs/KJs. The board is actually pretty dry for a 3b pot.

If we bet 60-65% pot, we can overbet shove turn for 110-120% pot. I don't like PSB the flop because it makes our hand so transparent, and a lot of people will hero fold a lot of hands. Plus by betting so big, we are narrowing their ranges a lot more than say 65% pot.

We can still make it a 2-street game with $60-$65 otf and slight overbet jam turns. People are way more likely to peel weaker hands/random floats/nonsense otf or x/r wider vs the $60-$65 bet.

I was just suggesting a 3-street game as a possibility, but I think 65% flop/overbet jam turn is probably a little better. I just dont like bombing flop for almost 80% or more, and isolating ourselves vs more narrow ranges.