Ok guys. bit of background i grinded up a roll to 800 dollars and im playin pretty tight 1/1 live. Sitting with 100 bb and played tight as usual. Im in seat 6 I get 66 raise standard live raise of 6bb cutoff raises 17 (stack 35) button calls 17 (stack 75) seat 3 calls 17 (stack 100) i call 17. i know im beat but thought it was good position to set mine and i dont usually raise my pocket pairs but rather limp call this time it was my 4th pp of the night and i was raising for balance.

flop is 547 rainbow. seat 3 check i check cuttoff all in 28 button call seat 3 call i call. turn is a 10. seat 3 check i pause check button all in, seat 3 tanks and all in. i call. river blank. cutoff shows qq button 1010 seat 3 mucks.

did i play this like a donk given my tight roll, should i be sitting with 100bb in the first place or the minimum of 40 or maybe 60? i'm usually playing super tight set mining playing ak aq aj in position and bg pairs. i thought in this spot i should have either shoved or folded on the flop?

Don't worry about balancing at 1/1.

I fold flop

Sit with whatever make you comfortable. If you will play differently when you have X amount of your bankroll on the table then don't do it.

I've played 1/1 a few times while drinking and thought it was bingo poker. No skill involved. Just wait for big hands and profit

people seem to think that buying in short reduces your swings/variance. if properly played, a short stack strategy usually has more swings than a big stack strategy though.

there´s nothing wrong with open raising 66, but i´d recommend doing it for a smaller amount w/out limpers. as played, gotta call the 3bet. as played then, seems to be as good a spot as it gets to shove the flop with all the dead money here and very nice equity multiway.

fwiw, it´s never a good idea to have short BR for any game; also, there is nothing wrong in going broke from time to time, esp at the beginning of your career

if i were you, i would take my money, buy in full every time i play,hope to hit a heater from the start and run it up. if you go broke, meh, just take the money you can affort to lose in the first place, and no harm done.

So you walk away with 50 bucks after the hand if I'm reading this right? Seat 3 and you had a side Pot of 50 bucks and he mucks, right? So, since you were in for 45 OTF, you did OK from then on.

The flop call is standard here, you have nearly the expressed odds you need to draw. Normally you would fold this OTT, unless you have some sort of read either of these guys, and especially Seat 3, will continue with a draw. It worked out for you here, but you may have just gotten lucky, since you nowhere mention a read that Seat 3 may be spazzy with a draw here.

Also: 100 BBs might be buying in for the max in this game. OP mentions the minimum being 40....

First off, your hand history needs to be better formatted. Visit this thread http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...mplate-770217/ for help.

Secondly, you're nowhere near deep enough to setmine here. You got 3bet by a player with less than $50. (Does he have $35 or $45 to start the hand? Either way it doesn't matter but you said his stack was $35 pre then he bets $28 after raising to $17.) Your calling off ~20% of your stack preflop when you shouldn't be investing more than 10%.

As played check/shove the flop.

cmon, flop standard has to get it in. i´m no math wizard, but with all these dead money, some FE and prob very good equity MW (normally at least 8 clean outs) this has to be a shove.

Sorry, I was unclear here. I was speaking about an earlier comment that said to fold flop. I mostly meant don't fold with the odds being there. I truthfully hadn't even thought about call vs. shove since I was intending to talk more about his decision OTT. You are right though, in most case shove > call.

Honestly it's more important for you to deal with the fact that you have no sustainable roll than it is to critique your poker play.

Do what now?

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thanks for the advice. the only reason i called the raise to 17 is because there were 2 other callers with stack sizes of 75 and 100 so made it worth it. i guess my bad play was not shoving the flop with all the money in there?

re the bankroll i am slowly building it what other way is there to build one if i dont play? im playing super tight in a donkey 1/1 game so trying to be careful. i guess my mistake here might have been raising too much with the 66 and getting in this spot usually im shoving it in with the best hand instead of drawing. :-/

also The Rumor what would you recommend as a 'sustainable roll'? 20 buying? note my playing style is tight and it is 1/1 appreciate your views on proper bankroll size here.

This does not make it worth it. Neither of them are deep enough to setmine against after a 17BB raise preflop.

I'd recommend trying to get a part-time job that can add to your roll while you work on your game off the tables. It seems you might lack some pretty basic fundamentals and spending your off days/hours reading the Best of LLSNL and other important threads is going to help advance your game much faster than playing like a nit because of bankroll concerns.

I hate that when you plan on playing fit or fold with a small pp and you flop a damn open ended draw. Vs so many People it seems like a jam or dumb it spot, problem is you don't have any fold equity so that may be a bad idea. I think folding may be a mathematical error though as I stoved a random hand, QQ, 1010 vs 66 on the flop and you have 35% so as long as your getting 2/1 it's profitable direct odds.

Let's study this a bit. Firstly, it's waaaay to optimistic to think that you're going to get both player's stacks. Let's focus on getting 100BB from one guy, and 34 more from the original raiser's 17 and 17 more from the guy with 75.

11.8% of the time we flop a set or better. We win 134BB.
88.2% of the time we miss our set, check/fold, and we lost 17BB

(.118 * 134BB) - (.882 * 17BB) = .818BB profit over the long haul.

This is a simplistic study, we either "set or jet", discounting the times we flop a draw (like we did in this actual hand), and put even more money in trying to hit the draw. It's also pretty optimistic to assume we win 100BB every single time we flop a set. For example, flop comes A 6 3, we're not winning 100BB vs KK or QQ. And we're LOSING 100BB on this same flop vs. AA, once in a blue moon. Add in all these contingencies, I think that .818BB profit flips over to negative pretty quick.