So I've been on a sick heater at 5/5 recently (+$6.7K over past 35 hours) and have a healthy enough bankroll to shot take 5/10. My local casino is hosting a WPT main event next week so the games should be as soft as they'll ever be.

Things I've been working on recently:
- Implementing 3bet bluff range from LP vs non-EP raisers. Any merit to balancing 4bet range w/ suited wheel aces?
- Balancing flop checking range w/ TPWK and OP+backdoors to better defend vs float+turn bet
- Balancing flop C-bet/turn check range as OOP PFR
- Add more bluffs to my turn check-raising range (OESDs, missed sets as caller in 3b pots)
- Adding L-RR bluff range w/ small pairs and suited aces from EP

Any advice on other aspects of my game I should work on/pay attention to when moving up? How are the regs better at 5/10?

Sorry if this is the wrong place for this thread. The med-high stakes subforum is practically dead, and I know a couple regs here play or have played 5/10.

Nope. Not gonna fall for it.

I don't know what the cap is at the HG game, but the 5/10 games in LA (with the exception of Commerce) tend to play much deeper than 100 BB. Don't try to play a different game, but understand that you're going to be put into some spots that you will rarely ever be in for smaller games.

Generally more aggressive, more button clicking and non-std weird lines from villains.

I wouldn't overthink it though. Tight value strategy to start with appropriate adjustments based on villains just like any other game should be fine.

Just have solid pf ranges and most post flop spots should work themselves out. Don't try to get too fancy.

Huh?

They're mostly 1500 cap. I'm planning on starting at 100 BB and build a stack from there.

Any examples of aforementioned sick spots? Are people X-R bluffing you on the river with busted draws and such?

What sort of population reads do you notice are different between 5/5 and 5/10? When I play an unknown at 5/5, I assume they're incapable of having polarized 3/4b ranges, turn/river raising ranges are 100% value, I can bet/fold 3 streets with TP/overpair. Is that not true at 5/10 generally?

What city do you play in?

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From what I remember that game will play fairly small
due to the buy in structure. More similar to the 2/5 games in Vegas during the summer.

Given the structure you will find a decent amount of gamblers pre and post.

I'd say just play straight value and pick your spots. Don't blindly try to apply some GTO pf 3 betting strat and 3 bet 65s sb vs button just because.

Play tighter first and figure out who you can exploit and how.

But yeah generally I'd say people are doing more stuff like limp 3 betting 88 and Axs rather than 3 betting polarized or bluff raising turns or rivers.

LA. Likely will be shot taking at Gardens or Commerce.

My advice is play exactly like youre playing now. If you need to make adjustments after some time, you will know. If you try to change your game up just because youre playing 5/10 you'll regret it.

Also, IMO moving up during a heater like this is a mistake.

Not moving up, 70-80% of my hours will still be 5/5. Just planning on taking $3-4K to 5/10. I can afford to donk it all off and have a healthy roll for 5/5. And given how soft cash games should be this weekend because of the WPT main, I should have a decent shot of running it up. At worst, I'll learn some valuable lessons about my leaks and how I'm getting exploited by better pros.

Good luck with moving up! Some tips:

1) Don't limp at all. A limp/reraise strategy isn't needed if you just remove limps from your range entirely.

2) Be careful who you implement these plays with, like raising the turn as a semibluff or x/r the river with air. There are some nit regs that this will work on, but there are some whales that will station you off with the same kind of garbage that a 1/2 fish would station you off with.

3) Be observant. Most games form around at least one whale. Know who this player is and don't pull fancy bluffs against them.

4) Be aware that, whilst the regs here are slightly more aggressive and bluff at a slightly higher frequency, they're still disproportionately weighted towards value in most spots. Don't overadjust. Don't level yourself into thinking that everyone is a super aggro LAG that is trying to bluff you off every pot.

5) Try to cold call as little as possible. You will face a decent amount of squeezing in these games, so hands like KTs and AQo make better 3bets than cold calls.

Just because its tournament time does not necessarily mean games will be very good. In my experience in LA during tournament time the games often get worse. More games /= better games.

Just use good game selection and don't default to whatever adjustments you posted above b/c its a bigger game.

The majority of the field at the 5/10 level wont 3! light or even 3! wider for value.

You dont want to try to be balanced. All you need to do is seem capable/balanced and as long as no one thinks you always have it you should be fine. Seeing as you are shot taking no one will know you so you should be ok.

Go to commerce. Thats where the most 5/10 games will be in LA no matter what time of the year.

My experience has matched OPs regarding tournaments. 100% of tournament players I've met are cash game donks. I'm pretty sure that they're tournament donks too. Live tournaments are ridiculously soft.

Thats great but it isnt as simple as you feeling like every tournament player you met is awful so 5/10 games will be filled with these awful players. When a large tournament series is going on if its that big, not all these "bad" tournament players will be playing 5/10 and on top of that a large portion of LA regs/pros will descend as well. At commerce during these tournament series do not expect some tournament idiot to just punt tons of money. Those types of unicorns are very rare and hard to find let alone get in a game with. The majority of the tournament recs will play tighter and/or buy in <100bb.

Do not expect games to be that type of good b/c you will most likely be disappointed. Do expect all types of seat/table changing scumbaggery from many of the "regs/pros".

My experience with 5/10+ is very limited, but I have played it a handful of times.

I think what most are telling you is solid advice. Just play your game, keep your ranges tight, and take a value heavy approach. This obviously isn't going to be a sole-crusher approach, but it's a simple and profitable way to get your feet wet a bit while figuring out the differences from this game to lower stakes games.

The one thing I'd say from my limited experience in 5/10 is that it's especially important to have initiative when you enter a pot. There's usually a lot more 3!/4! , and making a habit of flatting opens or trying to limp behind to see a cheap flop is just asking to be continually squeezed. This is where playing a tight PF range and entering the pot with a raise or 3! will help you avoid getting a target put on your back, at least until you get a feel for how the table's playing. This is all pretty boring and basic stuff, it's just that as you move up in stakes you'll find more opponents who will put you in awkward spots if you open the door for them to do so.

I recommend taking $4k of that 'run good' money & see how you do & let us know.

You'll still have $2.7k/35 hrs = $77.14 per hr, or 15BBs+ per hr if it was all 2/5NL

Id say definetely go for it.although ive never played that high myself. From what ive heard LA has the softest 5/10 in the world right now. It just seems like 5/5 with more whales and slightly better/richer regs. If you are a big winner at 5/5 id expect you to be an average winner at 5/10

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This part I'm not sure about. Ive only got about 200 hours of 5/10 because the games almost never run here, but in the time I have played it, my win rate is about the same in terms of BB/hr. I get put in tough spots sometimes for sure, but I also find people paying me off quite a bit more with my big hands than they do in 2/5. I dont know if more 5/10 guys try to pick off bluffs or what, but my big hands have gotten paid off big time so far.

What I meant about not moving up based on the timing of OPs God mode run was that its very likely hes got some run bad coming his way soon and its gonna sting if he runs bad right off the bat at 5/10.

5/10 at Isle (when it does run) is a pretty solid game (mostly was going during snowbird season when i first moved down here), but it was definitely a step above 2/5.

But you hit the nail on the head, people float way more often and are in the business of bluff-catching especially when it's perceived good player vs perceived good player.

Would you play 5/10 if an honest effort was put into getting the game back into Isle?

Absolutely. Assuming the game wasn't nothing but pros. I did play it almost every time it ran on weekends this past snowbird season.

You know this isn't how it works. Past results have no bearing on the outcome of future hands. OP has to believe he can win if he's going to step into the game.

Yes, Im aware of that. OP has won $191/hr over the last 35 hours of 5/5. Now he has confidence to move up to 5/10. Of course he does. He feels bulletproof. Everything works. He now has the bankroll to move up. Of course he does. He's in God mode.

A time like this is the worst time to move up IMO. He's likely going to be way overconfident in his abilities and when the distribution of cards goes against him (reversion to the mean) hes going to lose twice as much or more playing double the stakes against better players.

If his long term results at 5/5 are very good and he never had the bankroll to move up before but now does, then fine go for it. If he thinks hes ready for 5/10 because hes demolishing 5/5 right now...hes making a mistake.

I don't get the impression from OP that he feels bulletproof. He posted here for advice and a list of things he's working on. He even has an amount he's willing to set aside for his shot. Demolishing 5/5 is definitely a good reason to try and move up. I don't sense any arrogance or head in the clouds from OP at all.

He has to feel like he's playing good and can win in the game to take a shot. It takes courage and moving up after a breakeven stretch or month of marginal winning is going to be much harder on the psychology.

You had almost saved yourself until you said this.

I dont think there is that big a difference in 5/5 vs 5/10. A lot of the same players, but you might find a few more tough pro's at 5/10.

My advice would be just play a strong value oriented style until you observe and get comfy, and then you can/will settle into what made you such a successful player at 5/5.

Good luck with it.

Shorn