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10-27-2016 , 10:23 AM
Hi, so last night I was playing live £1/£2 cash game and I played this one hand which I would like some opinions on. Personally I feel like I was just having an off day and was trying to play too creative in general, so believe I should never have been in this situation anyway, but the point is I was, so would like opinions on how this hand was played.

So - it's £1/£2, we are 9 handed, one of the more aggressive players at the table opens from middle position to £7, he has around £170. Folds to me at CO, I have around £150 and have 6 7. Now normally I would just fold, but my table image at this point was pretty tight and I sensed a good time to make a move, so I raise to £21. Button and blinds fold and initial raiser thinks a few moments then calls, for a pot of £45.
Flop comes Q,Q,8 rainbow, player checks to me and I decide to check back as I can do this with very strong hands as well as hands that miss. Turn is 5, which puts second on board. Player now leads for £25 into £45. I've picked up an up and down straight draw so call. Pot now £95. River is a 7 , giving me a pair. Player now bets £60 into £95. After a long think I decide to call with my pair of 7s with the theory that he can put me on just A high type hands that would check flop and call turn, also its possible he picked up heart draw on turn and decides to bluff river. Turns out he had AQ which is fair enough, but what do you think about my call? DO you think that I had some right to call in that spot or is it just an always fold? In my mind im thinking he can only ever bet with a Q here, or maybe he has 8,8, but basically I don't think he's ever betting here with 10,10 or J,J or say a frisky A8, and it may appear to him that I can't have a Q myself and most likely have only A high type hands myself so he thinks he can bluff me off. Bare in mind the opponent is an aggressive player and my image was tight so when I check flop it may appear I always have broadway cards which miss, and me making a pair with 7on the river would be very unlikely.

will be interested to hear some opinions : )

Last edited by Am8ture; 10-27-2016 at 10:33 AM.
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10-27-2016 , 10:35 AM
just fold pre. That is a very bad trashy hand to 3bet with.

You got sucked into calling the turn bet being you were "up and down", but the river is a fold.
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10-27-2016 , 10:46 AM
Think this is pretty spewy. I prefer a hand with more playability postflop to make a move with. 67o isn't one of those hands. QQ8 is a very good board to cbet on and by not doing so you give up initiative. Sure you may check sometimes with strong hands here but this is live vs an unknown and you don't need to balance. As played your turn call looks like TT or JJ or even KK. The river call isn't very good imo. The board run-out is not a good card for villain to bluff you off what it looks like you have very often. I can't see a competent villain betting here with anything less than JJ.
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10-27-2016 , 11:07 AM
3-betting a weak hand with 75 bbs effective can lead to some leakage. Best to fold pre here.

As played, fine until river which is a fold.

You have a tight image, 3-bet pre and called a blank turn. This would indicate your range might be something like: QX/TT+/AhKh/AhJh. When he fires again on river you are not beating much.
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10-27-2016 , 11:21 AM
I honestly would have played every street the opposite of you

Pre: folding

AP flop: def cbetting to fold out pairs and anything V has that is > 7 high that he can catch on further streets

AP turn: I'd be raising here. V is unlikely to have a Q since 2 are on the board + every fish who flops trips checks, so they all think everyone does it + we have outs to basically the nuts + we have 7 high, so I'm not upset winning the pot right now

AP river: fold, we have no SDV vs anything that is betting turn/river except complete bluffs
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10-27-2016 , 11:42 AM
OK with action until the flop. You must cbet here to maintain control and represent your big hand. When he calls or check raises you are done with the hand.
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10-27-2016 , 12:50 PM
Thanks for responses, i agree with the obvious that the best play is just fold pre flop, it was just one of those moments i felt like making a move, perhaps i was getting bored and had a lack of discipline moment. I strongly considered raising the turn but i opted against as i only ever get called by Q or 88 and sure it gives me some fold equity against over cards but i actually planned to shove river if checked to me on basically any card.
Overall i was immediately regretfull with this one, but probably learned something.
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10-27-2016 , 08:17 PM
Preflop, take a better hand, but I'll assume you had 67s, in which case it's pretty good. Flop is okay, but prefer small bet. Turn is okay. River is okay.
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10-28-2016 , 06:02 AM
In a vacuum, deciding on a whim to 3bet a hand because "I want to take advantage of my image" is a spewy, terrible decision. At 1/2, almost nobody has an image of how you play in their head. Until you've done your homework, you shouldn't be making any of these type of "moves."

Your homework is to first construct a range for this player. Then create a decision tree of what he'll do at each point facing bets both preflop and on the flop based on certain flop types. Calculate whether the move is +EV or not. It is homework because you do this off the table. The pros that make money at the tables don't watch a video or read a book to study. They are doing these calculations so they know whether this is a good move or not.
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12-10-2016 , 05:16 PM
think about pot odds and your betting and calling. your raise pre gave him reason to call getting 2 to 1 to outdraw you if he was beat. at least in his mind and you didnt want him to call so that is what you need for your decision.

on the flop your check can be good or bad. i dont know which here as i wasnt there.
4th, you werent getting odds to call to make your straight and less with an open pair.
if going to play it maybe raise to run out all hands but trips and then you can decide what to do if he calls or raises.

on the river your call is fine if you read him as a possible bluffer.
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