Playing full ring $0.50/$1 on Pokerrr2 app while Zooming with friends, so essentially live (hope this is the right thread). Hero's image is relatively TAG. Villain is highly aggressive, raising a very high percentage of limped pots PF, especially from position.

Hero (A6) is in the BB with 93 BBs, Villain is on the button with 163.

After 3 limps, villain raises to 6 BBs.

Hero 3bets to 18 BBs. Villain calls.

Flop A 8 3

Hero checks. Villain bets 33 BBs (80% pot). Hero???

Hoping to get feedback on both Pre and Post flop.

Not many worse hands call when you jam flop and it's super dry and the money goes in anyway. May as well call his bet.

Welcome to the forum, OP. I removed the action at your decision point there, as it's part of results and can bias advice. Please don't post results until at least 24 hours after starting the thread.

I like the 3-bet pre, given reads. How does V respond to 3-bets. Does he fold his cheese, or does he call to try to use his position post-flop?

I like the check OTF, either way, but it matters a lot to how we respond to the bet and/or potential barrels. Generally, I like a call looking a bit scared of the ace, as he might well barrel turn. Folding seems bad unless he usually gives up when pushed back, in which case the bet likely indicates real strength. Raising is out of the question, as it never gets called by worse, so we lose value when we're good and lose the max when he's strong, imo.

I'd opt to defend pre rather than 3b. Also, might build a pot by enticing the limpers.

If 3b, size larger to scoop dead $ given our lack of hand strength.
Maybe 25-27 bbs, however this sizing unfortunately shrinks the SPR for post action, which is why I'd call pre.

Flop - I'd lead small after 3b pre.

Agree

I’d like a larger 3 bet pre for some more fold equity.

As played I’d call. There’s a chance he could try to jam bluff turn too because our hand looks weaker than it actually is when we check (we look like KK-JJ)


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I'll note that years ago someone did a study on pokerstars on which hands lost the most money (not which are worse). A6s lost the second most money, only trailing A6o.

It is not the hand I'd get into a dick swinging contest. I believe the villain is weak. I'd shove over to punish myself for playing this and the slight chance he'd fold.

Interesting. I tried to find a link to the study, but couldn't. Do you have one?

No surprise imo that A6o is the hand people lose the most money to. A little surprised that A6s was second rather than say A7o, but I guess that's because you are much more likely to hit top pair than a flush, and being really disciplined playing suited aces is tough for people.

Well, also most people know to fold A6o pre usually, but struggle to fold suited aces, and A6s is the worst suited ace

Thanks everyone for the feedback, and thanks for the note on posting. Interesting that none of the advice advocated for folding pre. I thought there might be more of a camp for that. I like the idea of either making a stronger 3bet pre, or flatting. This has been very helpful.

Prolly would like A2s-A5s for a 3b out of the blinds, but ok we went with A6s, I'm not mad at that vs described v. I think we should cbet this board decent percentage of of time, x turn or river and play for 2 streets. I lean cbetting here to protect our cbet bluffs the times we have KQ, some SCs.

Ap, after we x were xc, n likely checking our entire range on the turn and calling down on most cards.

Preflop is a bluff taking advantage of having an AX which should reduce the number of hands villain has that call. Catching the ace on the flop is actually bad. With top pair bad kicker you have a hand that is easy to lose money with but hard to make money. It would be more profitable if you had a garbage flop and could take it down when you c-bet air.

Your failure to bet the flop puts you in a bad situation. Now your guessing if the lag is bluffing or actually has a better AX. You should have bet half the pot on the flop and folded to a raise. It's hard for villain to bluff here because your committed with any good AX.

As played you just have to judge if villain has enough air bluffs in his range to make calling down worth while. Don't shove, there are only a couple of better garbage AX that fold but all of his worse hands that you want to bluff will fold.

How does not betting flop out OP in a bad situation? This board is going to be dicey for our holding no matter what. At least when we check, we give our opponent a chance to blast off with low equity


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It's fine to fold as well. I think 3! and fold are likely pretty close. I'm not calling unless we get a better price.

Weird hand, i think check-rip the flop is fine. Dislike squeeze pre, not folding once we check. Maybe we could bet-fold. But prefer check in general, not taking gto lines vs this opponent.


Maybe call, donk-shove on many turns is better - don't think we should expect villain to keep barreling air once hero calls such a large bet, don't want to let him realize equity with turned draws and 1p for cheap - plus maybe he is just going to stack off with 8x on the flop but not the turn, etc.

Folding pre is fine. A6dd might be in a polarized 3b range here, but given the info in the OP I'd prefer to have a linear 3b range until shown evidence V is capable of adjusting correctly. He's a positionally-aware LAG in a .50/1 home game. He's more likely to err on the side of calling too much than folding too much, so let's exploit that 100bb deep with hands that flop TPGK+ a lot.

ETA: Maybe my home game experiences differ from others?

It isn't a great situation no matter what. However, if hero bets then villain is the one that has to make a decision on how many bluffs hero has vs how many value hands. We know hero's bet was a bluff that happened to catch a bit of the flop but villain doesn't. For all villain knows hero has AK/AQ and that makes it hard for villain to bluff.

When hero checks villain's range becomes very wide and hero is left guessing. Villain can be bluffing air but he plays his AK exactly the same way.

That’s fine. We want him to have air. If we value bet flop and check fold vs a turn jam on a blank, then we weren’t really value betting.

Like we are going to lose our stack if he has a better ace at these depths no matter what. So I’d rather give opponent a chance to bet something random and then jam all in if he turns a draw or something


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I guess it depends on if you feel committed or not. If you think your committed to the pot then checking to let an aggressive opponent bet his air makes sense. If you go that way it's because you already feel committed and should call down.

I don't feel committed on this flop. Yes hero has top pair with an SPR < 3 but hero has a terrible kicker. Preflop was a bluff and hero caught just a bit of the flop. As hero I would much rather bet/fold. It's very hard for villain to bluff here because hero would be committed with any good AX and hero 3 bet preflop. Hero can bet $20 (half the pot) and make a nearly perfect play based on what villain does.

So what is our perfect play when villain flats the flop bet and we have a turn that's not a 6? Check fold?

Check and hope to check it down. Not an ideal situation, hero would much rather villain raised or folded the flop. If villain bets they probably have a good AX or better. If they check it down they probably have a mediocre AX also, which you probably lose to but also probably can't get villain to fold.

OK so we bet flop 50%, villain flats, we check turn, villain ships which is < PSB. Or he xb, we x river, he ships. Nothing too wet on board (like didn't run out like 9T), no A or 6.

We sigh give up?

In general it's the best play but if villain is bluffy/spewy enough you might have to call it off sometimes. Villain should not be floating our flop bet here because hero would be committed with any actual value hand and there are no draws for villain to be on.

I'm confused why we would ever bet half pot on this flop, especially after 3betting. It's as dry as it gets, we want to bet like 25% or less I'd guess.

This flop is so good for our 3betting range, I'm really not worried about villain blowing us off this hand

I like the call donk shove line to be honest. I’m not seeing a reason to think we’re behind here. This is something that aggressive players do - they take advantage of other players fear. We have to embrace some variance against these Vs, because sometimes they are going to have it but bet the same way as when they don’t have it.

Would like to know how this V plays against aggression on all streets, not just to 3bets PF. Does he see a raise as a challenge and keeps calling or does he fold to aggression?