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Ad Qd - standard? Ad Qd - standard?

05-30-2019 , 08:55 PM
1/2, 9 handed, effective stack $300. Hero is TAG and villain knows it. Villain is about 45% VPIP, 20% PFR, 1% 4 bet.

OTTH

Tight passive UTG limps, loose passive UTG +2 limps, villain in CO raises to $20 (standard for him), it's folded to us in BB with A Q and we 3 bet to $90, and only villain calls.

Flop ($185): 7 4 5. Hero checks, villain bets $100 and hero folds. Standard?
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05-30-2019 , 09:02 PM
c/f is std
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05-30-2019 , 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by barney big nuts
c/f is std
How about the 3 bet pre?
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05-30-2019 , 09:14 PM
3 bet pre is def standard. Flop is likely standard theory wise but I’m not 100%. It’s definitely not a check call or check raise.
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05-30-2019 , 10:04 PM
Your 3-bet is a little on the large size, but 3-betting this hand is definitely good.

Do you think he has a raise/fold range? If not, and he is still sitting on his 20% preflop range, you are ahead on this flop. As for what to do, it depends a bit on how he plays postflop. The problem with x/f is if he's the slightest bit cognizant, he knows your check means you are giving up. That's why in tougher games you have to have a balanced checking range in these spots. Since that's usually suboptimal here, your other choice is to bet the flop yourself with 100% of your range. Something like $75. If he's got a PP, he's probably not folding, but you can chase away a lot of his KT crap that would otherwise bluff you out.

I don't think x/f is *bad* necessarily, just that betting out is likely better. This might be an interesting spot to try and solve. This is about as big of a flop miss as you can get, but it misses a lot of his range too. In a spot where you both have a high whiff%, usually the aggressor takes the pot. Yeah, he's got position, but being a 4-bettor I think you have the edge since you have some of the stronger pairs in your range.
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05-30-2019 , 10:23 PM
tough spot for sure

feels like you have to bet here though to me, like koss said he could have easily whiffed this board too

would have preferred a smaller 3 myself
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05-30-2019 , 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff
How about the 3 bet pre?
yeah man 3 bet is def good/std

how are some of you guys advocating a bet here?
I can't think of a better spot to c/f than this exact spot.
Oop, no bd flush , no bd anything.
Only 4 good cards in the deck for us and even when we do turn one of these 4 cards some of the time we are already drawing dead

c/f and move on to the next hand vs any villian ever in this spot


Hell having aa with ace of spades on this board is even kind of sucky let alone aqdd


Oh and your sizing is too large should be about 65 or 70

Last edited by barney big nuts; 05-30-2019 at 10:50 PM.
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05-30-2019 , 11:47 PM
I x/f OOP.
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05-31-2019 , 06:00 AM
2 options with spr ~1

ship any pair ,anything with a spade, any 2 clubs
x/f the rest

range bet 1/5-1/4p, ship turns accordingly

but ship range very likely prints, esp if you're on the nitty side pre and you don't have much garbage
your opp isn't allowed to fold any pair and he's forced to call a decent amount of AK w/o a spade too
unlikely he knows how to defend properly

Last edited by ionutd; 05-31-2019 at 06:10 AM.
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05-31-2019 , 08:28 AM
Given SPR, I'd x/f this board. Deeper, I might x/c given V range and the likelihood he's betting most of his range, including draws.
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05-31-2019 , 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ionutd
2 options with spr ~1

ship any pair ,anything with a spade, any 2 clubs
x/f the rest

range bet 1/5-1/4p, ship turns accordingly

but ship range very likely prints, esp if you're on the nitty side pre and you don't have much garbage
your opp isn't allowed to fold any pair and he's forced to call a decent amount of AK w/o a spade too
unlikely he knows how to defend properly
+1

If he folds AK here at reasonable freq (most likely he does) or any frequency of 1010-QQ, AQdd should be a jam

I’d snap jam AK here even w/o spade, ppl wont defend enough vs it and it will be +EV. AQ no spade is close. SPR is super low so we dont need that much FE to profit and yeah people wont defend anywhere near optimal
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