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04-21-2018 , 03:33 AM
Hi all,

Effective stack is 300.

UTG open limps UTG+1(500 to start hand) limps folds to me in the cutoff (I have about 400 to start) with AK I raise to $18.

Button calls, UTG and UTG+1 call.

($76) Flop Q103 checks to me... I think about betting here with overs, straight draw, and can barrel any club. I check though. Button checks.

($76) Turn: 4 UTG checks, UTG+1 bets 40. We call? Button calls. UTG folds

($196) River J UTG+1 bets 75. We call. Button folds

Thoughts overall?

Should we be utilziing the nut flush blocker better even though we rivered a straight?
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04-21-2018 , 05:09 AM
WP.

I really hate betting flop here 4-way closing the action IP with this specific hand

River is ugh, but for a 37% psb im not letting it go
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04-21-2018 , 10:55 AM
i'd say cbet 50% of the time here, either way is ok. If you do then you're def barreling this turn. As played call is fine on turn, def raise river, I mean cmon.
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04-21-2018 , 12:11 PM
~ $250 behind & pot is $196 before he bets? I think this is a must shove on the river. Even w/o the Ac blocker, I probably still gii @ this pot size vs this action.
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04-21-2018 , 12:27 PM
I'm betting flop here. You have range advantage and a lot of good run outs on this type of board given your suits. Betting flop keeps your range uncapped and often will allow you to knock out the button and allow you to play the rest of the hand with position. This is a good spot to over realize your equity.
It will also define the other villains hands more than if you check and they take the initiative on later streets.

As played raise river for value.
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04-21-2018 , 01:51 PM
Check on flop is good vs. 3 other people.

Raise river. He's way more likely to have a set/2P than a flush.
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04-21-2018 , 03:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard32
Hi all,

Effective stack is 300 (?)

UTG open limps UTG+1(500 to start hand) limps folds to me in the cutoff (I have about 400 (?) to start)

Thoughts overall?

Should we be utilziing the nut flush blocker better even though we rivered a straight?
Quote:
Originally Posted by spirit123
Check on flop is good vs. 3 other people.

Raise river. He's way more likely to have a set/2P than a flush.
1. Flop play can go either way, but I'm 60/40 for cbet'g for a variety of reasons, many already mentioned.

2. Villain's hand on turn can be a lot of things, but I suspect a lot of them include K-X where X = a lot of Broadway cards (Q=40%, J=40%, T=20%). Betting flush only gets value from missed A draw and he's still fairly hard pressed and priced to call with K. He' rather check his flush, let an Ace or the AK straight hit and then bomb river into you, making you have to guess much more.

3. The bet sizing on the river looks a little more defensive - a blockerer-ish type rather than for value. If he puts you on any of the AK combos he wants a cheap showdown of his likely two-pair, I think he c/SD's KQ and it's a really marginal/thin play with KJ.

3. I'm confused by how much you have left OTR - start with 300 or 400? With $300 hundred you only have about $165 left. You're getting $271 for $75 by flatting, leaving you with $90, so shove offers Villain $436 for $90 which he's gonna call with a lot of hands you're beating, although he will turn over two s a few times. With $400, you have $265 and even a min raise to $150 gets you about the same additional value as $300 and gives you small amount of FE as I don't think Villain can 3B! OOP with anything other than a flush. The $100 doesn't make a huge difference. Shoving with 400 offers Villain $536 for $190 so he'll still call a fair number of hands you're beating, so I tend to look at shoving either way, but obviously much easier with 300.

Last edited by sam7595; 04-21-2018 at 03:46 PM.
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04-23-2018 , 11:56 AM
I'd probably raise a bit more after 2 limpers because I hate the preflop result, but whatever, sounds like 4 people wanted to see the flop so that's what was going to happen regardless.

Against 3 opponents and this board I just don't think we're ever taking it down with one bet, so if we're betting we'd better be prepared to barrel. We also likely don't have nearly as many outs as we think we do (a lot of our A/K outs are reverse dominated and those hands aren't folding the flop). I just check and hope to get a free card.

I probably call the turn too although it's not a terrific one. Our IO on our 4-to-a-flush suck, we might have poor RIO on our gutshot, plus we still have someone behind us to act. We're getting about 3:1, and sometimes the guy behind us calls to make this 4:1, but it's still kinda meh.

I'm fine with the river call although it is a little scary he's continuing to bet into 2 opponents on a board that has an obvious flush and perhaps a straight. But there's a lotta two pair combos on this board. It does illustrate why turn is kinda meh due to our RIO in this spot.

ETA: I didn't even think of raising the river like everyone else is encouraging. Who bets two pair into 2 opponents when there is an obvious flush out there and now even some straights and starts risking bigger stacks going in? Not many, imo, but admittedly we are without reads. I think this is much closer to a crying call against most opponents.

GI'mokwiththehandalthoughturnisverydebatable,imoG

Last edited by gobbledygeek; 04-23-2018 at 12:01 PM.
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04-23-2018 , 12:07 PM
flop and turn ok
I would have raised river
with button still to act you may fold out his baby flush
facing a bet and all-in raise
V could have set or 2 pair as well as AK
yes sometimes V has flush but overall
with given stack sizes I push river
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