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Old 02-13-2019, 08:51 PM   #1
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Aces UTG 5 ways 5/5NL

2k eff @ 5/5NL

Open AA utg1 25
4 callers (utg2, utg3, sb, bb)
Flop QT6 (125)
Loose passive sb donks 45 (1.5K), Bb call (tight passive; short 300 stack),
***I've seen him donk multiway with strength - 2p,sets; will donk 1p in a HU spot;
***flat with A?
Hero call???
utg2 calls behind (tight passive call)

Turn 8 (300)
Sb 90, fold, Hero call, fold = hu
River 9 (480)
SB 250
Hero?

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Old 02-13-2019, 09:29 PM   #2
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Re: Aces UTG 5 ways 5/5NL

Seems fine if you fold rover
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Old 02-13-2019, 09:34 PM   #3
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Re: Aces UTG 5 ways 5/5NL

Flop I think in raising to iso and stay the aggressor has merits, hand becomes much more defined and easier to play - don’t really want to go 5 ways to the turn.

Same could also be said for the turn to such a weak bet size.

As playe river looks valuey AF and the world came in except hearts and we block nut heart draws. I’m folding.
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Old 02-13-2019, 09:35 PM   #4
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This is why having a limping range from EP is great.
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Old 02-13-2019, 09:40 PM   #5
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Re: Aces UTG 5 ways 5/5NL

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This is why having a limping range from EP is great.
Limping from EP, and specifically limping AA from EP once in a while is fine...but THIS hand is not why its fine.
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Old 02-13-2019, 09:44 PM   #6
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This is why having a limping range from EP is great.
I think limping Aces is ideal in some games, but this game was way too passive. Very high chance it limped around.

I considered raising flop, but it felt like an overplay, especially w/ Ah, and V donking into so many players. Feels like I am not very far ahead of his range, and we have to worry about other V's...
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Old 02-13-2019, 09:46 PM   #7
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Limping from EP, and specifically limping AA from EP once in a while is fine...but THIS hand is not why its fine.
Premiums benefit from low SPR and the only way to get that is by 3betting preflop. We canít do that from EP.
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Old 02-13-2019, 09:48 PM   #8
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I think limping Aces is ideal in some games, but this game was way too passive. Very high chance it limped around.

I considered raising flop, but it felt like an overplay, especially w/ Ah, and V donking into so many players. Feels like I am not very far ahead of his range, and we have to worry about other V's...
I think you played fine since you raised from EP. But I think the always RFI strategy is flawed 9-10 handed games.
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Old 02-13-2019, 09:50 PM   #9
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Premiums benefit from low SPR and the only way to get that is by 3betting preflop. We canít do that from EP.
No disagreement there, but limping in and having nobody raise sucks too. On a passive table the best line is to just raise yourself. Its sucks to get 4-5 callers, but it happens sometimes. Just because it happened this particular time doesn't mean we shouldve limped.
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Old 02-13-2019, 10:00 PM   #10
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No disagreement there, but limping in and having nobody raise sucks too. On a passive table the best line is to just raise yourself. Its sucks to get 4-5 callers, but it happens sometimes. Just because it happened this particular time doesn't mean we shouldve limped.
Yeah I think Hero played it well. Most EP winrates are very low, my hunch is limping range would be higher EV across the board.

You get a few benefits:

1) You can get heads up with super premiums

2) You will be incredibly hard to play against postflop if you limp-RR a balanced range.
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Old 02-13-2019, 10:10 PM   #11
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Re: Aces UTG 5 ways 5/5NL

I understand the odds we're getting are amazing, but is there a good case folding turn? How often are ahead of the SB here, even at 5/5?
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Old 02-13-2019, 10:18 PM   #12
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I understand the odds we're getting are amazing, but is there a good case folding turn? How often are ahead of the SB here, even at 5/5?
Even if Villain has 2 pair we have odds.
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Old 02-13-2019, 10:40 PM   #13
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Re: Aces UTG 5 ways 5/5NL

Unless the SB is a moron, it's difficult to believe he can't beat AA.

I'm also assuming the SB was already ahead on the turn, if not the flop.
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Old 02-13-2019, 10:42 PM   #14
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Premiums benefit from low SPR and the only way to get that is by 3betting preflop. We canít do that from EP.
With effective stacks of 400bb, a LRR is not going to bring a low enough SPR to enable auto-shove decisions.
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Old 02-13-2019, 10:44 PM   #15
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We can also bluff some rivers. Being deep against SB actually benefits us in that regard.
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Old 02-13-2019, 10:46 PM   #16
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Raise flop. Don't limp so deep. Would rather open to 50.
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Old 02-13-2019, 10:47 PM   #17
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With effective stacks of 400bb, a LRR is not going to bring a low enough SPR to enable auto-shove decisions.
Yeah but it gets us heads up against one opponent most times with the preflop nuts. A very profitable situation
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Old 02-13-2019, 10:48 PM   #18
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If you’re not happy with as many callers as you can get with AA then you’re bad post.
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Old 02-13-2019, 10:50 PM   #19
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If youíre not happy with as many callers as you can get with AA then youíre bad post.
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Old 02-13-2019, 11:09 PM   #20
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Raise flop. Don't limp so deep. Would rather open to 50.
H didn't limp.

I think I like a raise on the flop. Certainly not committing to the hand, but I'm not slowing down quite yet.
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Old 02-13-2019, 11:18 PM   #21
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H didn't limp.

I think I like a raise on the flop. Certainly not committing to the hand, but I'm not slowing down quite yet.
i know others suggested it
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Old 02-13-2019, 11:46 PM   #22
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Re: Aces UTG 5 ways 5/5NL

For sure raise the flop. Lots of good things can happen. You deny equity. You play turns in position. You can isolate the short stack and GII way ahead. And you can pretty comfortably fold to further aggression from SB or others behind.
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Old 02-14-2019, 02:59 AM   #23
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Would rather open to 50.
Sure. $50 with AA, $40 with KK, $30 with QQ, and $25 with whatever else you are opening with. Sounds like a good strategy.
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Old 02-14-2019, 12:50 PM   #24
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Was half a joke
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Old 02-14-2019, 04:26 PM   #25
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Awful sentence
Getting a lot of callers can be a sign that we could have gone bigger and gotten more value, and fewer callers at a bigger sizing is often better than many callers at a small sizing, however that's not what I meant. Once we choose our sizing and make the raise, we want as many callers with AA as we can get. Of course we have no control over how many callers we get, so this is mostly pointless to talk about, but my point is that it is wrong to be disappointed with a lot of callers and it's wrong to say limping is better if we expect lots of callers to our raise.
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