V probably doesn't play 44 like this, nor 7x given his description. Could be 56, could be a PP turned into a bluff.

Tough spot but I would base my decision on whether I think V would fastplay a monster hand here with the intention of making it look non-nutted and getting us to stack off big with an overpair.

Given his description I don't see why he would play his hand this way when it's very likely he can get 2 big streets of value out of you.

I´ve only been playing NLHE for three months, so honestly WTF do I know.

I'd ship, V2 rarely has a 7 or 44's here otherwise he'd just flat, he's already put in a third of his stack so he's rarely folding 88-JJ. He can also level himself into thinking you're squeezing his iso and call off.

If I had a 7 here I would be 3b 100% because flatting just looks super nutted

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Listen to everything this guy just said. Let me repeat just so its clear. Folding is absurd.

Hey man, were you checking w/the plan to c/r based on the reads?

It doesnt make much sense for villain to raise 56 when the pot is protected.

I'm raising with a 7 here a lot especially if I think a good portion of the other guys range is an overpair. (by the sounds of it op is viewed as tight pre and the guy is observant) If we flat it looks equally as strong as 3 betting and 3 betting has the added benifit of looking weird/bluffy. If the the op has an over pair 88-QQ then there are a tonne of cards that will freak him out. I'm not gonna target his A10+ cus this rely's on him hitting a card OTT and 85%ish he doesn't and even if he does then he may still get away from it given our flat OTF.

If the guy is thinking like me and targeting the overpairs in your range you are in trouble. On the flip side he could have a small pp and want to isolate and if thats the case he's bet folding and I imagine shutting down on future streets fairly often. Given description I prolly let it go and make a mental note at showdown.

I'm checking because it's easy to get stacks in versus the short stack and we don't want to stack off vs the good player deep stacked when 7x is definitely in his range. If he's good, he's not paying off three streets with a pocket pair and I'm not really worried about giving a free card to a straight draw on a paired board. Our hand isn't getting any better most of the time and we can probably only get two streets versus a good player, plus it keeps us underrepped, gives them a chance to catch up a bit, or bet because they assume you just have two overs and missed the flop.

Flat looks like I have 44, yeah.

I would call and consider folding to turn shove.

Calling the raise should eliminate AK from our perceived range, and unless V has great read on us, he probably can't expect to have fold equity after we call flop raise.

It would be pretty gutsy for him to turn his overpair into bluff.

so on a 774r board with the action described above

A) flatting = 44
B) 3 betting = 7x

what is the entire rest of your range doing??

are you really turbo mucking JJ-88 here?

If this is a 7 or 44 he is soul reading you and praying that you jam which is unlikely.

This is a pocket pair every time. He thinks he has the best hand right now and wants to force overcards to fold. Call and get the rest in on the turn. Raising is also acceptable if you don't think he is capable of folding a pocket pair on this board after putting in half his stack.

If you were in V's shoes, what do you think is H's range after he calls the flop raise?

Do you think AK is still in H's range?

Do you think H would flat QQ+? If so, do you think H would fold QQ+ to turn shove?

Do you think H would call flop raise with a range that's weaker than your holding? If not, do you think H is able to fold to a shove?

1. V probably has to put H on an overpair if H calls V's reraise.

2. Doubtful that H would continue with just AK after a bet, a shove, and a reraise.

3. Yes, I do think H would flat QQ+ because shoving QQ+ on the flop gives JJ- the opportunity to fold. I also think that, after H flats the flop reraise, if I as V shove the turn, I can at least give V a chance to fold a better hand than mine. Of course what V doesn't know is that H has AA and is never folding, and is also seldom giving V credit for a 7 after V's flop reraise.

4. Let me answer this way: when V raises the flop, he is doing so because he is confident that his hand is the best. The raise gets unknown overcards to fold and gets value from worse pocket pairs. If V has a hand like JJ, I think it is reasonable for V to expect H to continue with 88-TT even in the face of a raise.

Great point, but if you're going to target two streets of value, which I agree makes sense, why not try to get that value on the flop and the turn? Draws are most likely to give you value on the flop, and the turn and river can also bring in scare cards against a lot of ranges that give you flop and turn value.

But yeah, I see weighing that against letting someone catch up with no pair hands.

Would you consider bet flop for value, bet turn for value, check/decide river? You would expect most made hands you beat would check river behind.

Looks like a really easy fold.