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04-07-2013 , 08:24 PM
2/5 Winstar

Vill has been playing pretty crazy, hes middle aged white, probably been drinking a little bit too. If there is any sign of weakness he will be betting and usually a pretty good amount. He's been opening about 80% of the pots.

I have been at the table for maybe an hour after my previous table had broke. I've played a few pots and have played them pretty aggressively, turned the 1k I brought over into 1400ish. Just 1 3 bet so far and I did that with KK but didn't show after a cbet. Image is solid I would say.

This hand took place close to 4 am. effective stacks are 1300

Vill opens highjack for 10, decent reg flats the co and I 3 bet to 60 from the btn with AA. In figured he was calling anyway so could get away with a bigger 3 bet, this also puts the reg in a weird spot if he wants to play the hand.

Vill announced there is a 1000000% chance that he is not folding lol he calls and reg folds.

Flop is QQ3r

Vill checks

Hero???

I'm going to post my action on each street once there is some feedback on each action. Pre flop action and flop action is what I am curious about at this point.

Thanks
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04-07-2013 , 08:26 PM
Preflop sizing is good. I would check flop and go for two streets of value. Maniacs can still show up with a Q here. Tough spot if you bet and he puts in a huge raise or shoves.
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04-07-2013 , 08:32 PM
If he is playing a spazzy as you are saying I would probably continue with a weak cbet here. Sounds like it is just a matter of building the pot to get him to stack off with any reasonable PP. 137 in pot? cbet 60-65.
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04-07-2013 , 09:05 PM
Normally I would def cbet here but as I read the villains profile again, I think checking would be the better choice. 1) For pot control 2) He might fire a bluff on the turn since you showed weakness.
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04-07-2013 , 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by dicecube
Normally I would def cbet here but as I read the villains profile again, I think checking would be the better choice. 1) For pot control 2) He might fire a bluff on the turn since you showed weakness.
1.) Yes he is going to bet the turn.
2.) If we take this line and he does bet the turn are we only calling the next two streets to get to showdown?
3.) If we do take this line we take ourselves out of a spot to do 2 things: Gather information about his hand so that we may be able to find a fold when we are beat/ Get him to the felt in an obviously profitable situation
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04-07-2013 , 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by minimals
1.) Yes he is going to bet the turn.
2.) If we take this line and he does bet the turn are we only calling the next two streets to get to showdown?
3.) If we do take this line we take ourselves out of a spot to do 2 things: Gather information about his hand so that we may be able to find a fold when we are beat/ Get him to the felt in an obviously profitable situation
Couple things, he's going to be betting like 90% of his range if we check which is a super weak range with the boars texture vs our hand. So if we check and he leads for two streets I think I am comfortable paying him off when he does have us beat.

By checking we deny him the opportunity to gather info about our hand, which looks a lot like AK when checking back. Also I am never ever stacking off almost 300bb here with AA unless we hit our A on the turn or river.
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04-07-2013 , 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Running Uphill
Couple things, he's going to be betting like 90% of his range if we check which is a super weak range with the boars texture vs our hand. So if we check and he leads for two streets I think I am comfortable paying him off when he does have us beat.

By checking we deny him the opportunity to gather info about our hand, which looks a lot like AK when checking back. Also I am never ever stacking off almost 300bb here with AA unless we hit our A on the turn or river.

I would never stack off that man bigs versus a nit. But in small-stakes NLHE I don't see any reason to take a pot control line from the flop. He probably is not thinking as deeply as you. He will have a decision to make if he has JJ through KK as to whether or not you are spewing on the turn when it comes lower than the Q.
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04-07-2013 , 09:29 PM
Get money in now. So you do not miss max value/ you can avoid pricing yourself in on later streets.
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04-07-2013 , 09:32 PM
When you get a chance to play 300bb with an absolute maniac with AA on a board that dry, I have no idea why you wouldn't try to play for stacks as he is certainly playing speculative/mediocre hands there much deeper/faster than you would.
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04-07-2013 , 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Running Uphill
Also I am never ever stacking off almost 300bb here with AA unless we hit our A on the turn or river.
I mean, normally this sentence in a vacuum I'd agree with. With villain description and that board I wouldn't.

If you want to go into bluff catcher mode then yea check and call two streets. If you check here raising on the turn or river is horribad, so check here knowing your going into calldown mode.

Cbetting like $110 is the other option, probably checking back the turn, and calling/betting river.
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04-07-2013 , 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
I mean, normally this sentence in a vacuum I'd agree with. With villain description and that board I wouldn't.

If you want to go into bluff catcher mode then yea check and call two streets. If you check here raising on the turn or river is horribad, so check here knowing your going into calldown mode.

Cbetting like $110 is the other option, probably checking back the turn, and calling/betting river.



Much better line.
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04-07-2013 , 10:19 PM
I'm never checking back this flop to a middle aged man. Are you crazy? I'm betting this all day for value and the fish will probably just put me on AK and play accordingly. I may check back at 5/10 but expecting a 2/5 fish to bluff raise here is super MUBSY. He would have to be really sick in the head to get real crazy here and I don't see anything from the description that tells me that.
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04-07-2013 , 10:22 PM
You do realize that vills range is all suited cards, all connectors am most 1 gappers. If vill has a range that is only half made up of semi value/showdown worthy hands then I do agree with betting bc he has something that he can call with.

All of the 56 78 9T hands that make up the most of his range are check folding, remember he only raised 10 pre flop which is pretty much nothing worthy of showdown value.
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04-07-2013 , 10:29 PM
My check button is broken so I may not be the best person to give advice here but the only way I see you winning a big pot is by betting. Guy sounds terrible and isn't folding pocket pairs so I'd bet for value and build a pot. If he has complete air I don't expect to get two streets of good value from him anyways, and I'd like to get 3 streets.
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04-07-2013 , 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Dwans Son
I'm never checking back this flop to a middle aged man. Are you crazy? I'm betting this all day for value and the fish will probably just put me on AK and play accordingly.
Lol so funny, all anyone ever puts me on is AK, even though I'm basically nittier than OMC.

"I put you on AK!" *snap calls my jam* I flip over obvious nuts are obvious, ship it, gg.

TDS,

You are b/f 3 streets? No argument for checking back turn to get value otr from 88-JJ type hands? Or you are saying those are calling all the way anyway (or there's the most value in trying to get value from those hands on 3 streets calling all the way I should say)
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04-07-2013 , 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Dwans Son
I'm never checking back this flop to a middle aged man. Are you crazy? I'm betting this all day for value and the fish will probably just put me on AK and play accordingly. I may check back at 5/10 but expecting a 2/5 fish to bluff raise here is super MUBSY. He would have to be really sick in the head to get real crazy here and I don't see anything from the description that tells me that.
Did you read the OP carefully? The middle-age part is irrelevant. The part where OP said Villain will bet aggressively in the face of weakness is relevant. And why would Villain have to be "really sick in the head to get real crazy here"...does he really think we have a Q after we 3-bet preflop?

I'm looking to play a big pot here, and the best way to achieve that against this Villain is to check back the flop and then just let him hand us his money.
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04-07-2013 , 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by DrChesspain
Did you read the OP carefully? The middle-age part is irrelevant. The part where OP said Villain will bet aggressively in the face of weakness is relevant. And why would Villain have to be "really sick in the head to get real crazy here"...does he really think we have a Q after we 3-bet preflop?

I'm looking to play a big pot here, and the best way to achieve that against this Villain is to check back the flop and then just let him hand us his money.
I think you're the only other person to really drive that point. I said the same thing, I just prefer a very weak cbet here on the flop to induce the c/r or so he will lead the turn and we can shove here.
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04-07-2013 , 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Dwans Son
I'm never checking back this flop to a middle aged man. Are you crazy? I'm betting this all day for value and the fish will probably just put me on AK and play accordingly. I may check back at 5/10 but expecting a 2/5 fish to bluff raise here is super MUBSY. He would have to be really sick in the head to get real crazy here and I don't see anything from the description that tells me that.
I never for a second thought I was ever beat in this hand...if Vill has a Q I will gladly pay him off and say nh nh if he has me beat. But I think that I have the stones here.

I checked back the flop for a few reasons, Vill has a very big spazz button that can go crazy on later streets and my hand is super under repped. Also the fact that he raised to 10 pre made me think he has a ton of non paired middle/low cards.

Turn 2s completing rainbow

Vill leads 110

Hero???
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04-07-2013 , 11:10 PM
I cbet and call a raise. If he just calls I may check the turn to induce OTR. If he leads the turn I am in calling mode.

Pretty tough yo get 3 streets of value IMO
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04-07-2013 , 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Running Uphill
I never for a second thought I was ever beat in this hand...if Vill has a Q I will gladly pay him off and say nh nh if he has me beat. But I think that I have the stones here.

I checked back the flop for a few reasons, Vill has a very big spazz button that can go crazy on later streets and my hand is super under repped. Also the fact that he raised to 10 pre made me think he has a ton of non paired middle/low cards.

Turn 2s completing rainbow

Vill leads 110

Hero???
basically min raise to 260 and call anything he raises.
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04-07-2013 , 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Running Uphill
Turn 2s completing rainbow

Vill leads 110

Hero???
I would tank-call, while making a face that looks like I'm trying to squeeze out an oversized, jalapeno-filled log.
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04-07-2013 , 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by DrChesspain
I would tank-call, while making a face that looks like I'm trying to squeeze out an oversized, jalapeno-filled log.
Lol wp
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04-08-2013 , 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Running Uphill
I never for a second thought I was ever beat in this hand...if Vill has a Q I will gladly pay him off and say nh nh if he has me beat. But I think that I have the stones here.

I checked back the flop for a few reasons, Vill has a very big spazz button that can go crazy on later streets and my hand is super under repped. Also the fact that he raised to 10 pre made me think he has a ton of non paired middle/low cards.

Turn 2s completing rainbow

Vill leads 110

Hero???
Why would you do anything other than call at this point? Unless villain is ******ah aggro the best line is to now go into calldown mode. Obv. betting river if checked to.
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04-08-2013 , 12:46 AM
Call turn.
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04-08-2013 , 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
Why would you do anything other than call at this point? Unless villain is ******ah aggro the best line is to now go into calldown mode. Obv. betting river if checked to.


"Vill has been playing pretty crazy, hes middle aged white, probably been drinking a little bit too. If there is any sign of weakness he will be betting and usually a pretty good amount. He's been opening about 80% of the pots."


How much more ******ah aggro do you need? Min raise this fool.
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