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AA vs. Thinking TAG AA vs. Thinking TAG

08-08-2014 , 02:04 PM
1/2: Hero ~$320. MAWG, probably seem as TAG as I have been aggressive in late position taking down most pots without showdown. When I have gone to showdown, mostly had it.

V: Covers by a lot. MAWG, TAG thinking player. I would rate him as a very good player. Previous history with V, he stacked me earlier with a FH vs. nut flush. I have not yet seen him 3-bet in the few hours we have been playing toghether.

There is one other V (button) who has a stack slightly less than mine and he is also very competent. All others were shortstacking fish IMO.

Here opens to $12 UTG with black AA. Standard raises have been $10-$15 in unstraddled pots. 1-2 callers then V makes it $35 in the SB. Since V is a thinking player he realizes my UTG raise is not light, also due to his position and lack of 3bets in general from him, his re-raise has to be very strong. I range him on QQ+, AK.

1st decision: Flat or 4-bet turning my hand face up?

Flop
Spoiler:
I flat, other callers fold. Heads up.


Flop $90ish: QJ7 2 spades. V makes it $60. I'm torn, I'm either WA/WB based on his range, so I flat.



Turn
Spoiler:

Turn: $210ish: QJ7 4s making 3 spades on the board giving me the nut flush draw. V leads out for $100, I have $200ish remaining and pot is now $310. I'm torn again. I don't have odds at all to call if I put him on exactly QQ. If I open his range to QQ-AA, I am way in the lead. I ship, he snap calls with QQ and river is a blank.

I feel like I farked the hand at every street but not sure what else to do but raise/fold flop or possibly go way over the top pre to just pick up dead money and hope a short stack calls.
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08-08-2014 , 02:12 PM
4-bet to $120. Shove flop (~2/3 pot).
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08-08-2014 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Zaphod888
4-bet to $120. Shove flop (~2/3 pot).
I agree that a large 4-bet is in order. 120 seems right.

With two callers yet to act, there's a fair chance this pot goes 4 ways if you just call. That's not ideal.
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08-08-2014 , 02:19 PM
I agree with your turn shove. It's inconceivable that he has a flush. KK is pretty likely.

There are worse things than going broke for 160 big blinds with AA in a 3-bet pot. I don't think you can reasonably fold the flop or the turn.

I would have preferred a 4-bet preflop, but I think you played properly after that.
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08-08-2014 , 03:26 PM
$85 pre/$90 flop/shove turn
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08-08-2014 , 03:35 PM
PF I 4bet and size it large enough to make it look like I don't want a call, hoping to rep AK and 1010-KK. Jamming all flops. Your PF flat could very well lead to you being committed in a 4 way pot OOP. Not good...
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08-08-2014 , 04:25 PM
I don't mind flatting pre-flop against this guy. He folds queens, jacks and AK a lot to this 4 bet. If you don't believe me, look at how other people in this forum generally respond to an early position 4-bet with those hands.

If you don't think he is barreling with AK(Ks), or KK on this board on the turn then you probably need to be folding the turn. Next time this situation comes up, you will get to stack villain on the ten high flop. Saying we should always be 4 betting here is results oriented imo. If he is truly aggressive and bets for value thinly, which most thinking players do, you can flat and check call three streets in spots like this too.

Edit:

Didn't see callers in between - ya you have to 4 bet here. I agree with making it a somewhat silly ridiculously big 4 bet to get the guy to level himself into thinking QQ is good, I probably go 125 more to do it.

Last edited by fitzthetaxman; 08-08-2014 at 04:34 PM. Reason: Didn't see callers
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