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01-08-2015 , 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by dgiharris

Incidentally, this is why it is important we 3-bet more in these games vs villains who we know are raising light. So then when we 3-bet here it doesn't turn our hand face up. Note, I'm not saying we should be splashing around like Gus Hansen or Durr, just highlighting a situation where it would have useful to have a wider than the normal 3-betting range as perceived by this villain.
This times a billion.
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01-08-2015 , 08:39 PM
Just ship it in after he raises you on the flop...

No need for FPS here...his range will be the same for you regardless whether you just flat the raise or re-raise all-in IMO. Might be more likely to still believe you could be making a move with AK when you shove as well.
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01-08-2015 , 11:33 PM
well played, not ship it!
against LAG, i always go with value lines.
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01-08-2015 , 11:57 PM
whatever dgiharris says, but i ship it in here and make him fold and don't show. or he snaps you off with 27 or maybe calls you with QQ
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01-09-2015 , 12:19 AM
pot would be 450 with your 75, effective stack would be 280, if you rip it, he's getting 2.6:1 or ~28% to call.

meh, i'm not a huge fan of bombing or calling. it's pretty awkward stack sized based on the small flop bet + min raise. you havent pot committed him and bombing should technically fold out his FDs, leaving only his value range to call, which probably has us dominated.

a small 3bet is probably the way to go, say reraise to 250 total, it leaves him <35% equity to call, but its so razor thin that he wouldnt probably calc that at the table and he would probably still call with his FDs just out of habit. then bomb non-heart turns
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01-09-2015 , 02:54 AM
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Originally Posted by 27offsuit
whatever dgiharris says, but i ship it in here and make him fold and don't show. or he snaps you off with 27 or maybe calls you with QQ


You have 22000 posts and your advice is to shove to make him fold worse...?
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01-09-2015 , 05:06 AM
Ship it here. We're OOP and given history all overpairs are probably calling, possibly even A high FD's, TPTK, random straight/combo draws, all of which are possible given minraise flop and villain's lagginess. Villain will convince himself you have AK, AQ etc.
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01-09-2015 , 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by matzah_ball
You have 22000 posts and your advice is to shove to make him fold worse...?
27off's comments aside, you have 1k post's and you haven't realized that post count has absolutely zero correlation to poker knowledge, theory, or application?
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01-09-2015 , 10:58 AM
^ a fair point.

Anyway, I'm shipping it here. Sucks if he has a set but he probably has enough over pairs and some FDs.
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01-09-2015 , 11:11 AM
If you been at the table for 10 hours and seem tight, time to table change
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01-09-2015 , 02:45 PM
Preflop: I would have gone $75. Nice work.

Flop: I would have made it $90. You're a little short of that but not awful. You got what you wanted. Calling seems obvious. Honestly from what you've describe he doesn't seem good to me at all. Just aggro and donkish. Usually these guys are just used to people not being able to read hands coupled with being weak and they just run them over even when their line makes no sense. There are only a few hands to fear and his game is pushing chips in. Lets call and let him do what he does best.

Turn: CMV likes to jam but I prefer to check. I'm not folding really and his description is that he'll put money in bad. Check and expect to call a ship and end up happy.
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01-09-2015 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by spikeraw22
Preflop: I would have gone $75. Nice work.

Flop: I would have made it $90. You're a little short of that but not awful. You got what you wanted. Calling seems obvious. Honestly from what you've describe he doesn't seem good to me at all. Just aggro and donkish. Usually these guys are just used to people not being able to read hands coupled with being weak and they just run them over even when their line makes no sense. There are only a few hands to fear and his game is pushing chips in. Lets call and let him do what he does best.

Turn: CMV likes to jam but I prefer to check. I'm not folding really and his description is that he'll put money in bad. Check and expect to call a ship and end up happy.
The description of Villain is that he likes to push people around with "big bets". This is a min-raise though. It doesn't fit the usual pattern. That's why I think there's something strange about this. It's like Villain's hand is so good that he has to raise, but because it's in his DNA that raising is for when you want folds, he raises as small as he possibly can. (There was a reg in my old game who played exactly like this.) If this is true, then we're behind.

I'm not about to fold, though, because it could also be possible that:

1) Villain is raising the flop so that he can take a free card on the turn with whatever draw he flopped. In that case, we shouldn't check the turn because then he gets what he wants.

2) Villain's hand is such that he wants to leave himself room to fold to a flop shove. This is why I don't want to 3bet the flop--if Villain has this kind of hand, we send him false information by just calling the flop, but by lead-jamming the turn we can confuse him into calling then.

The main thing is that I just don't think he has air. From the description, it sounds like if he were going to raise with air he'd size it bigger. Something else is going on here--he's not just barreling off for no reason. That's why I don't particularly want to give him a chance to check the turn.
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01-09-2015 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by spikeraw22
Preflop: I would have gone $75. Nice work.

Flop: I would have made it $90. You're a little short of that but not awful. You got what you wanted. Calling seems obvious. Honestly from what you've describe he doesn't seem good to me at all. Just aggro and donkish. Usually these guys are just used to people not being able to read hands coupled with being weak and they just run them over even when their line makes no sense. There are only a few hands to fear and his game is pushing chips in. Lets call and let him do what he does best.

Turn: CMV likes to jam but I prefer to check. I'm not folding really and his description is that he'll put money in bad. Check and expect to call a ship and end up happy.
I agree with this. This "good" villain may level himself into thinking he can push you off of your stubborn AK. Let him make a "big bet" on the turn to "push you out."
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01-10-2015 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by CallMeVernon
The description of Villain is that he likes to push people around with "big bets". This is a min-raise though. It doesn't fit the usual pattern. That's why I think there's something strange about this. It's like Villain's hand is so good that he has to raise, but because it's in his DNA that raising is for when you want folds, he raises as small as he possibly can. (There was a reg in my old game who played exactly like this.) If this is true, then we're behind.

I'm not about to fold, though, because it could also be possible that:

1) Villain is raising the flop so that he can take a free card on the turn with whatever draw he flopped. In that case, we shouldn't check the turn because then he gets what he wants.

2) Villain's hand is such that he wants to leave himself room to fold to a flop shove. This is why I don't want to 3bet the flop--if Villain has this kind of hand, we send him false information by just calling the flop, but by lead-jamming the turn we can confuse him into calling then.

The main thing is that I just don't think he has air. From the description, it sounds like if he were going to raise with air he'd size it bigger. Something else is going on here--he's not just barreling off for no reason. That's why I don't particularly want to give him a chance to check the turn.
It's possible that at the table wed come up with reads that would push one way or another. Live you can usually get a pretty good idea if he's the type to shove turn or not. You can also get a totally different vibe from someone who's value betting as opposed to running you over.
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01-10-2015 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by CallMeVernon
The description of Villain is that he likes to push people around with "big bets". This is a min-raise though. It doesn't fit the usual pattern.
It does to me. If he bets any more we're committed. He needs to leave himself a reasonable sized stack to bluff with and his bet may convince a lot of people to check the turn.

He's doing exactly what I suggested we do earlier in the thread, making sure that the Villain has a stack where he feels like he has fold equity.

If he doesn't have a heart 38% of the time he'll have heart come by the river and a nice big stack to bluff with. If he has something 7c6c he may think he has 14 outs twice to either the best hand or a good bluffing opportunity.
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