Hi,
This is my first post in poker forums.

About me: New to Poker (less than 100 hrs experience total. 80hrs home games + 20 hrs local casino). Read few poker books Theory of poker, PNLHE, Small stakes no limit holdem, Harrington on holdem etc... and following this forum from last few months. My immediate goal is to learn/improve value betting.

1/3 NL (Local Casino). I sat down an hour back. Played 4-5 hands so far. Playing very tight (NIT) as I want to observe table for some time.

Villan (SB) : 200+ very Loose (almost playing 70% hands). Donk bets when he connects with board. Doesn't bet with draw (haven't seen him betting with draws)
Hero (Btn): Covers. AA

3 Limpers. I Raise to 10. I guess this is bad, should have been at least 15. I saw people folding for 20$.

Blinds call also the limpers.

Flop ( 60$): 6 way

T 7 5 rainbow

Villan donks for 15 into 60 pot. Everybody else folds. At this point I put him on Pair, 2 pair, sets or overcards like JJ or QQ ( He would have re raised preflop with KK+). No draws as I have not seen him betting with draws. I raised to 50 (total) to define his range better and he calls. Now I narrow him down to 2 pair+ and overpairs.

Turn (161$): 5 (rainbow)
Villan Checks. Hero ????

I would like to know whats best action here for extracting value given villans range. Also welcome any other suggestions on preflop or flop play.

Thanks

When we raise, we really want to thin the field (to 3ways at worse, but much preferably HU). A $10 raise at a typical live 1/3 NL table won't get anyone to fold. After 3 limpers I easily make this $20+, probably making it 10% of the guy that is most likely to call if I think I can accomplish that.

Preflop really screws us up postflop. Against $200 stacks this means the SPR will be ~3, which means it's only going to take 2 bets of not even full PSB to get stacks in, so playing for anything other than stacks is going to be very difficult to do, and yet we just offered everyone 26x implied odds to stack us. I would have just called the flop (especially on such a dry board) and see what happens on the turn.

As played, we have less than a PSB left. The turn card is actually really good as it moves us ahead of one hand (T7), doesn't complete any OESDs, and limits the amount of set combos he can have. We've really made our bed by our preflop and flop play; I shove now and live with results.

But playing for stacks in very multiway pots with just an overpair when offering immense implied odds preflop is really really bad, so next time setup the hand not to do that.

GcluelessNLnoobG

I play a lot of 1/3, and I can definitely say that $10 is never enough pre. Even betting $15 pre I normally get 2-3 callers ... I would say your bet should be in the 18-20 range.

Now then, AP the flop raise was pretty small too. AP it was $35 more to v to win $90, you gave him too good of a price... Probably want to make this in the $70 range. Since v just called, I think it makes a set less likely.

Anyway, AP, now the board pairs, giving you likely best hand (if you weren't already) ... Pot is $161...v has $140 remaining. I would bet about $100 here, forcing v to commit, but not giving him a great price if he's on a draw.

Just my opinion

I like a bigger raise preflop to at least $15....

Anyway though...not worried about sets after he donked bet and then flatted your flop raise...at higher limits against competent villains maybe, but not at 1/3.

Pretty much V has 2 outs to hit on river. Either he has an overpair or a T...

How do we get the most money in?? I believe shoving on turn possibly folds villain out so like a bet of $75 on turn and get it in on river....reel him in....

Agree with everyone here OP. Pre flop raise has to be atleast $12 and my standard raise in 1/3 is almost always $15. I'm probably betting around $75 here and looking to get it in.

Make it 20 to go preflop.

Villain's bet on the flop is pretty weak. I could see him doing with a ten, maybe like AT, KT, QT etc. Also, possible he has a straight draw. I think he would have bet out more if he flopped a set or even checked.

Good raise on flop.

Turn is a good card. If he randomly had T7, then you got there, and he most likely doesn't have 55. I doubt he donk bet with a 5, but it's possible.

As played, shove the turn.

Nice hand.

I'll be the millionth person to point out what should be obvious at this point. Raise more pre. You have position with the nuts and three guys just limped. Your $10 raise compels everyone to call, and you can't be excited about a massive multiway, even with AA.

AP, Your goal should be to get the rest of your stack in the pot. You have what's way likely to be the best hand. Effective stacks are $140 and pot is $160. You could break this into two bets, or jam it in the middle OTT. Whatever you feel is most likely to get it in. If he shows you a better hand, well that's poker.

With 3 limpers in a 1-3 game you cannot make it 10, even the first limper then has to call only 7-23 and then others will come along no doubt.

Standard in this stakes game for me is 4-6bb depending on position + 1bb per limper, so from the button here I'd be making it probably 21-25 depending on the table conditions.

As played I'm stacking off here, you need to get another 140 in the pot and pot is 161. You can just shove here most of the time.

Lots of good advice about your PF raise being too small and that you have to GII OTT, but I would like to highlight what GG quickly mentioned about flop play. Your raise doesn't make a lot of sense. Villain doesn't bet draws, he's firing into a lot of players, his range is very wide, and he bets whenever he hits the board. So we can safely put this guy on a set, 2 pair, TP, a small over pair, and maybe 2nd pair GK (personally I think that's a stretch and quite unrealistic). A raise OTF may get value from the overpairs and TPTK, but not much else. I'm just gonna flat here with a plan to call down smallish bets of the turn and river, to fold to a large bet OTT, and to bet smallish if checked to OTT.

This would be my plan as well. Even though villain's donk is small, it's still a donk bet into a large pot into the world (6way pot!), and this should not be taken lightly. I would also seriously consider giving up on the turn if he bets large. Preflop has gotten ourselves into a situation where there is a good chance we make a big mistake (folding the best hand in a large pot, or calling off our stack with the worst of it).

Grunch:

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Preflop: you said it. Raise to $16+ with 3 limpers.

Flop: I'm raising for sure. $60 at least.

Turn: that's a great card. It's tough for him to har a 5 an it just counterfeited T7. You have about a PSB led so stick it in. If he hit a set or goofy 5, then it's a good lesson not to price in all the garbage 6 ways. Once the turn comes in its an obvious shove.

Edit: even though this is multiway I don't think we should be all that upset by the small donk bet. It's just as likely a blocking eat as anything.

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