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AA vs. KK : Any other way to play this hand? AA vs. KK : Any other way to play this hand?

03-23-2013 , 04:00 AM
1/2 $300 Max at local card room

Hero ($373): 20's asian babyfaced asian male. Been at the table for 4 hours. Been card dead for the first 2 hours. The most active player in a soft table full of fit-or-fold passive players. Raising late with ATC and taking down pots with c-bets. No hands have been to showdown. Most likely have a bluffy image because of the aggression.

Villain (covers): 20's asian male. Tight-passive level one thinker. Fit-or-fold. Doubled through drunk guy when we slowplayed top 2. Seen him slow play a straight as well earlier. Probably thinks he's a solid player.

Folded to Hero
Hero (CO) KK : Bets $15
BTN Calls
SB Calls
Villain (BB): Tanks and raises to $73

I'm cursing inside as I'm sure he's range is purely AA. V is so passive he would call with TT, JJ, QQ, AKs. I contemplated a fold, as a 4-bet shove is out of the question. Effective stacks are 160 BBs, is it incorrect to fold here?

Hero tanks and flats.

Flop ($180): K Q 3 r

V leads for $100

V is obviously not thinking about our range since the flop totally smashed it unless he has QQ which is highly unlikely. I decided that slowplaying will extract the most value.

Thoughts?

Last edited by Loto_Negro_gv4l; 03-23-2013 at 04:06 AM.
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03-23-2013 , 04:20 AM
I gotta c flop with KK, and otf letting him think he has the best hand to stack him is smart. GJ
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03-23-2013 , 04:28 AM
I probably shove here. If villian is as level 1 as you describe, and his range in polarized to only aces, the thought process should be " I haz AA, must call."
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03-23-2013 , 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted by bfrank
I probably shove here. If villian is as level 1 as you describe, and his range in polarized to only aces, the thought process should be " I haz AA, must call."
Theres like no scary turn cards though for this villain, and no scare cards for you. Theres close to zero chance of not getting it all in good on the turn, while theres the slight chance he could fold AA or not even have it.
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03-23-2013 , 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by jambre
Theres like no scary turn cards though for this villain, and no scare cards for you. Theres close to zero chance of not getting it all in good on the turn, while theres the slight chance he could fold AA or not even have it.
yes
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03-23-2013 , 04:42 AM
never folding pre, and if i do call i'm always stacking off post flop.
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03-23-2013 , 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by jambre
Theres like no scary turn cards though for this villain, and no scare cards for you. Theres close to zero chance of not getting it all in good on the turn, while theres the slight chance he could fold AA or not even have it.
Exactly. We should just flat here. Any bet that he makes on the turn we can raise all in easily, if he checks we can jam then and likely get called.
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03-23-2013 , 04:52 AM
If the board pairs on turn, it could get him to shut down.
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03-23-2013 , 06:48 AM
I think a minraise org makes it easier to get stacks in no matter what ott. $210
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03-23-2013 , 06:57 AM
I need more evidence than provided that villain's range is "purely AA" here. And if you're absolutely sure, why on earth would you call? In any case go ahead and ship flop now. Or on the turn. Or on the river. It couldn't matter less with the player as described.
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03-23-2013 , 07:22 AM
Brilliant play. LOL,,,. If you put the other dude on AA, then why are you even calling preflop?
How can you be so sure he's on AA and AA only? That's a fantasy of reading opponents. He's got to have a range no matter how narrow might be.
OK, your'e so sure he's on AA, then why on earth are you gonna check a flopped set on a K high flop? You put him on AA preflop, call his bet and get lucky because that what it is, you got lucky, you have to understand and not dream of some brilliant play on your part. The entire logic starts from the wrong assumption of him having AA. That's the problem. Now, You got to bet the flop because no one knows you got a monster. When you lose with a set you'll lose a lot of money else you don't play your sets correctly.

You know is a old guy downtown Las Vegas named "Cash". I suggest look for him and start talking about how to play flopped sets. He's gonna talk with you for days and days about this subject. Everybody knows about him. He's part of the downtown landscape and plays there. Never loses for years. This is what he's doing all day.


AK

Last edited by Octavian; 03-23-2013 at 07:32 AM.
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03-23-2013 , 11:10 AM
Fold pre if u really think his range is aa or kk+. U need around 700 to set mine here pre. Against most villains I'm either flatting pre or 4betting but there are a few that I'd fold against mainly bacause of how nitty they play. As played flat flop obviously. U dont want to give him a chance to fold. Really the only cards that can come to scare him away is a king or queen and that's only 3 cards in the deck. Plus if an ace comes u can fold lol
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