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AA vs 2 AIs on monotone board AA vs 2 AIs on monotone board

01-13-2019 , 02:49 AM
So I played a hand live NLHE 1/2. Lots of fishy players as to be expected.

Hand starts with three limpers, two are fishes (loose, calling station type), the other is a standard reg. Fish A is in EP with about $180 stack, Fish B is MP with about $60-70. I have $210 stack.

I wake up with AA in the SB. I raise $15, the two Fish call, and the reg folds. Pot is $49 so SPR is around 3.75

Flop comes K, 9, 4.
I bet $60 at the pot looking to scare away someone with a club. Fish A re raises all-in, Fish B insta puts the remainder of his stack in. Its an extra $106 for me to call. Pot has about $330 in it. I'm getting over 3 - 1 on a call.

My instinct tells me that Fish A has a flush. He is very confident when I ask him questions, smiling and relaxed. I know he has a big hand. What I'm not sure of is what a big hand means for him. Would he consider 2p/sets/pair+FD big hands here?

I don't really care about Fish B, as he had a small stack and I was calling him no matter what (if there was anything extra to call)

Am I pot committed here?

Last edited by Garick; 01-13-2019 at 10:36 AM. Reason: removed results
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01-13-2019 , 04:12 AM
Hide results. AP facing that action I fold.
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01-13-2019 , 09:05 AM
Overbetting the pot on the flop is terrible, you’re value owning yourself and pot committing yourself to a pot where you have 3% equity against a made flush. It’s an easy fold given the action.

Last edited by Garick; 01-13-2019 at 10:34 AM. Reason: removed reference to results
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01-13-2019 , 10:54 AM
Welcome to the forum, OP. Please don't post results as it biases advice. Wait until for a day or so (more if the discussion is still active) before posting what you did and how the hand worked out.

Pre is fine. I disagree that the flop bet is terrible, but I think it is a bit too big and your reasoning for it is bad. You want to bet to get value and deny proper odds to one club hands, not to "scare away someone with a club." On monotone boards, my standard is right around a PSB, and your bet is only a slight overbet. I would prefer $40-50.

Some folks will advocate for a check here, but I find that another club killing your hand or your action is more of a problem than occasionally value-owning yourself.

AP, I'd fold. Sure, Villain A has some non-flushes in his range, but most of those beat you too, and it's a protected pot. Fish B has a flush (or occasionally a set)here almost 100% of the time, so you can basically consider the main pot gone and you're just considering playing a $106 pot against Fish A's very strong range.

There just aren't many combos that you beat in his limp/call pre range (KxQc, 9xTc-9x-Qc, that's about it) or even combos that you have significant outs against (K9s). You're pretty much toast against his sets and flushes and he has a million flush combos in his range (well, 15 reasonable ones and god knows how many lol ones like Jc3c). I put you at 11.37% equity even without any ridiculous flush combos, and it only gets worse the more of those you add. Fold.
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01-13-2019 , 11:04 AM
i would suggest you read a couple threads before posting yourself.. as it is clear you have not
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01-13-2019 , 02:07 PM
How are you allowed to even ask “fish A” anything since it’s a 3 way pot?

SPR is just over 3:1 btw since effective stack is V1 who starts hand with $180 and has $165 after calling PFR
If pot is $48, and you led $60, and he raised $105 more (AI), pot is $48+$60+$60+$55 +$105 or $328, and $105 more to call, (V2 started hand with “60-70”, so he has to be AI for less since most he has left after PFR is $55)

Seems like you committed yourself imo
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01-13-2019 , 08:40 PM
Thanks for editing my post. Point taken about not posting the results. Will adjust for future posts
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01-13-2019 , 09:25 PM
Both players were already ALL IN so my action was the last possible action in the hand.
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01-13-2019 , 09:36 PM
Thanks for the detailed response and analysis. I knew I screwed this hand up.

The main take-away for me here is that my flop bet was too big, and put me in a tough spot. As you said my thought process was wrong. A smaller bet gets value from weaker hands, and finds out where I am at. Being less pot committed would have made the fold much easier.
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