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AA v maniac - 600 deep AA v maniac - 600 deep

02-20-2015 , 10:55 AM
V – 30 y.o. Indian male ($700) Maniac. Loves to bluff draws or air, loves to call down. Not quite as aggressive pre, but post-flop will happily fire 3 bullets with a naked flush draw or even nothing. Will also bet second/third pair type hands, but I’m not sure if he thinks he’s value betting these hands or turning them into a bluff.

H – 35 y.o. white male ($600) Lot of history with V. I’m happy to call him down on a lot of boards that I think have missed him. I also like to 3-bet him for value light, as he’s opening light a lot and rarely folds to a 3-bet. Earlier tonight I stacked V when he had two-pair, I had TPGK and rivered the nut flush. No idea if V is really paying attention to my image, I do know that he doesn’t really understand the adjustments people make to his maniac image.

1/2 home game, $600 effective stacks. Mississippi straddle to 6 on the button, SB calls, V raises to 20 UTG, folds to H in HJ who raises AcAh to $80. Folds back to V who calls.

Flop ($170) – 822r. V checks, H bets $75, V x/r to $175. Hero? I have about $450 behind.

My thoughts: Can’t really get a better flop for AA that doesn’t include an A on the board. V is tough to range, but before the flop action I’d say he has all pocket pairs, suited aces, suited connectors, maybe suited one-gappers and random Broadway cards. I’m also happy with the sizing pre-flop, though maybe I can go to $100 and get a call. In hindsight I would have liked a slightly bigger bet on the flop, maybe to $100, but I’m trying to project an AK that missed.
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02-20-2015 , 11:04 AM
I don't see any reason to 3b this otf. The pot is going to be $520 going to the turn with ~2/3 PSB left, and the described V is rarely going to check it down. Might as well give him a chance to fire again with his air. (Never folding, obv.)
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02-20-2015 , 11:49 AM
A shove here is only getting called by 88 and 2x, so I think that's out of the question. He's overly aggressive so there's a good chance he'll fire OTT again, not worried about losing value with a flate. If we just flat we have a < PSB OTT, so no problem getting it in. Not really any draws that we're worried about so I don't hate seeing a turn. It sounds like he'll continue with an aggressive line with his entire range, hand kind of plays itself at this point.

Is V a complete maniac C-betting and raising with air at random, or does he seem to pay attention to board texture and hand ranges at least somewhat? Even if he is just soul reading us for AK, this is such a dry flop for our range given pre-flop action that he shouldn't be taking this line too lightly. Is he x/raising a lot or just leading into pot often, or both?

Just trying to get a feel for the flavor of maniac, as this seems like a WA/WB spot where we can go broke if our read isn't solid.
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02-20-2015 , 11:56 AM
With position here, go ahead and flat and let him fire again or if not then bet most of your stack OTT. This result is probably already predetermined ... GL
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02-20-2015 , 11:58 AM
Call and get it in on the turn.
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02-20-2015 , 12:12 PM
Maniac likes to bet no matter board textures. However, I think he does understand stuff like scare cards, and less likely to bluff a high card board into the PFR. Not good by any means but plays enough that he has some idea what he's doing. Think the love of gambling and pushing someone off a hand motivates him though.
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02-20-2015 , 02:09 PM
check turn if he checks to you 100%

you are 300 deep tho, its by blinds not by $$
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02-20-2015 , 06:47 PM
Is there a question? I think both raising and folding are ridiculous. You are in position. Just call. You are never folding.
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02-20-2015 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoLex
A shove here is only getting called by 88 and 2x, so I think that's out of the question. He's overly aggressive so there's a good chance he'll fire OTT again, not worried about losing value with a flate. If we just flat we have a < PSB OTT, so no problem getting it in. Not really any draws that we're worried about so I don't hate seeing a turn. It sounds like he'll continue with an aggressive line with his entire range, hand kind of plays itself at this point.

Is V a complete maniac C-betting and raising with air at random, or does he seem to pay attention to board texture and hand ranges at least somewhat? Even if he is just soul reading us for AK, this is such a dry flop for our range given pre-flop action that he shouldn't be taking this line too lightly. Is he x/raising a lot or just leading into pot often, or both?

Just trying to get a feel for the flavor of maniac, as this seems like a WA/WB spot where we can go broke if our read isn't solid.
Sure the maniac would throw KK right in the muck. Did you read villain description?
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02-20-2015 , 11:49 PM
It's simple call
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02-21-2015 , 08:18 AM
Call, and call turn.
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02-21-2015 , 09:25 AM
This is pretty trivial. You have AA on a paired, rainbow, 8 high flop in a 3 bet pot and a maniac who likes to bluff 3 streets c/r you. And to boot, you massively block the only logical combos that include a 2.

Call flop, call turn, ship river.

Did V spike a FH on the turn or something? Did he flat your 3 bet with K2s? I don't understand why this is a thread... I'm going broke here 100% of the time
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02-21-2015 , 07:56 PM
Thanks all. I shoved, which was a mistake. Was aiming to get value from his overpairs. Better thing would've been to call as others in the thread noted, and look to shove turn when hopefully he bets into me and feels pot committed.

V snapped me off w A2s. Think no matter what I'm getting stacked there but my line loses value when I'm good.
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