Game is changing up and 2 new players just sat down (both involved in hand). Hero's image is winning reg, competent 30's male...playing with chips, has stack, etc. (600+stack)

V1 - new 20 something male but doesn't look comfortable at table. $200 stack
V2 - new hispanic 20-30's male with headphones and stretched out t-shirt (seen in the casino before but not much history). Assuming somewhat loose as has played his first few hands, took one down with c-bet on dry board and folded others post flop. $300 stack
SB - irrelevant older gentleman. $150 stack

Hero looks at 2 black AA UTG raises to $12, V1 UTG+1 calls, V2 throws out $2 in CO but soon realizes there's a raise and throws out $10 more, SB calls.

Flop ($50) - Ks 8c 4d

SB checks, Hero checks, V1 throws out $17, V2 flats, SB folds, Hero c/r to $55, V1 folds, V2 calls...and we're heads-up.

**fairly dry board on the flop so was hoping for a bigger bet pre from V's but was planning on check raising flop to setup turn shove.

Turn ($177) - Ks 8c 4d 8d

Hero checks...this changed things just a bit since at this point, I'm either way ahead or way behind when the board pairs. V shoves all-in fairly quickly for @$250 and sits back with arms folded.

Hero??

Thoughts: Ranging villain on KdXd, 8x (although would he call a raise with just middle pair on flop?), 44 (why wouldn't he bet smaller to bait me in)

I'm just going to b/b/shove post-flop; x/r is just getting too fancy/unnecessary imo.

AP call.

Felt like my hand was face up when I bet on such a dry board int 3 opponents and wouldn't get 3 streets of value. Plan was to either C/R flop and shove turn or check flop, bet turn, and river.

I don't like the flop x/r very much with 2 unknown players and a dry board. Way too easy to get it checked behind and give up a free card.

Also the raise size is way too small. The pot comes back to you at 84, and after your raise the pot is 139 and the first villain to call only needs 38 to call it.

Which of course means on the turn we haven't narrowed villain's range down at all.

I get why we would then check the turn, but when we do that our line looks really odd. The hands our x/r line represented would not slow down to the board pairing. So now we actually look like we are weak and the flop play was a move.

AP, I feel like we have to pay it off. The body language seems bluffy, and with the next bet pot committing, a true monster could often check it back there in position I think. Not wild about the spot though.

a x/r just looks even stronger though and you risk random hands like 45/66 turning a hand that beats you for free - people don't give respect to cbets much anymore; no one is folding a K/people will often peel with any pair

you don't have to cbet large b/c the board is so dry but you want to start building the pot if you want to play for stacks; and cbetting is the best way to do that imo - we can't trust our opponents to bet for us

Check raising a dry board is stronger than leading out on a dry board. As played, check raise size too small.

So we're losing to 84 suited and 44. V should not have KK here. We're beating all the Kx and Kdxd.

Not thrilled but probably calling as played.

This is a good thing for our hand. Hence, V shoving. Plan was for us to shove if no K or 8 shows up on turn. With the board pairing an 8 though...we're either way ahead or way behind. Agree with bad check raising sizing though.

Checks AA 4-way on a 'Ks 8c 4d' board

( ) Winning Reg

What bluffs are you repping when you c/r flop?

I have no idea what you're trying to do in this hand, and I feel like you have to call this turn bet because you played it so oddly and I assume this is the top of your range that plays this way.

^ I mean we may play KK like this lol.

but yeah with the way we played this hand never folding AA

Just a quick live tell for the kids, arms folded = snap call

I don't even think we have KK, as I hope we don't c/r flop when we block TP and there are literally 0 draws. Maybe we can have Quads?

As played call, but I agree that this is way too fancy play for 1/2, just bet flop

Took an awkward line on this hand I agree. Was looking for the best way to get stacks in on turn. Any other card on turn (other than K) is a no-brainer easy shove. Anyways results below. Consensus seems to still call river....

Tells are unreliable you fish

Definitely need to bet the flop. You will most certainly start getting value from any K and most smaller pocket pairs. You mostly have the best hand on the flop but you don't want to give 3 players a free card as it starts getting likely one of them turns 2 pair.

After the board pairs and V sticks it in it should be a call imo. He probably isn't betting into 3 players with middle pair on the flop, and if he does he probably isn't calling the raise.

If he shows up with a FH or quads then good for him, move on

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lol

Sick lvl. lol.

Yeah, so if this guy is playing that trash, you should be value betting all day and all night. Never EVER slowplay this guy.