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04-11-2014 , 10:12 AM
Just switched to a new table, not to many reads on anyone. I'm sitting at around 100 bb, villain has about 80bb

Hero dealt AA UTG, raise to 13, folded to SB, who flats, BB folds.

Caller is an older man, nothing really known about him except one hand I saw that he was involved in, a younger guy at the table had made a comment when he folded with 25$ left in his stack and 150 in the pot. "Finally found the fold button with 25$ left eh? He since, reloaded.

Flop comes KQQ

SB checks, I bet 22, snap call.

Turn is 7

SB Checks, Hero Checks At this point I'm just thinking about slowing things down, best case he has Kx, which is likley not to improve on the river.

River 4, SB leads out 30, Hero ??
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04-11-2014 , 10:13 AM
Call.
He has plenty of KX still in his range.
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04-11-2014 , 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
Call.
He has plenty of KX still in his range.
Do you think checking the turn is the right play considering the only read I have on him is that he potentially spews?
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04-11-2014 , 10:19 AM
I dunno.
He has some AJ/AT, JT in his range which we can get value from, but lots of QX also.

Normally I think that I'd default to betting again for like 1/3 - 1/2 pot but read less checking might be ok.
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04-11-2014 , 10:27 AM
Alright thanks for the input
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04-11-2014 , 10:39 AM
Bet turn 35.
Bet river 35.

AP: call.
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04-11-2014 , 10:48 AM
Grunch - Gross. Probably not a river check. Not exactly sure what the V description is for the SB, but it might not even matter here.

Bet turn, just the amount that you figure Kx calls with.

Check call, check check, back door flush hits, paired board, and so far the passive player leads out on the river. l think we're cooked.

Fold.
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04-11-2014 , 10:54 AM
Call.

Yes I think checking the turn is correct, as you also had a plan to slow things down following the flop snap call.

Turn bet really only gets raised by better and air, folds out worse, maybe called by better.

River is a great price to call, nearly 3.5-1. FD got there, but I discount a FD snap calling OTF to a backdoor. Q is still a danger, but I sense more Kx than Qx in villains hand.

Call.
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04-11-2014 , 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by trucdouf
Call.

Yes I think checking the turn is correct, as you also had a plan to slow things down following the flop snap call.

Turn bet really only gets raised by better and air, folds out worse, maybe called by better.

River is a great price to call, nearly 3.5-1. FD got there, but I discount a FD snap calling OTF to a backdoor. Q is still a danger, but I sense more Kx than Qx in villains hand.

Call.
Unfortunately, being results oriented here, but he had AJ lol. This was my thinking as well, but I guess he wouldn't have folded the turn regardless once he picked up the FD to go with his gut shot.
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04-11-2014 , 11:10 AM
I'm betting ~60 ott, don't see why that's ever a check. Vs described v(calling station) we will find out if he has Qx and he's never folding Kx
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04-11-2014 , 11:11 AM
35 or 40 on turn, if he has a q he should cr u there, lots of draws out there, probably 65 on river
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04-11-2014 , 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by wck117
I'm betting ~60 ott, don't see why that's ever a check. Vs described v(calling station) we will find out if he has Qx and he's never folding Kx
Agreed. The "finally found the fold button" comment from another player would be enough for me to label him a call station for the purpose of this hand. The thing is, if he does have Qx you are always calling the river and losing a bet. If you be the turn and he raises, you're losing a bet. Either way it's one more bet down the drain. The only reason not to bet the turn is because you can get more value from Kx that way. Against a call station you've got to keep barreling with overpairs, unless there's absolutely no draws they could possibly have, and they'll usually tell you when you're beat.
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04-12-2014 , 01:56 AM
Grunch

Pretty easy call. With the check on the turn villain isn't putting us on AA, KK or QQ. More kings are in his range than queens (which is a reason I'd bet the turn). We're also calling 30 to win 100 here which are very good odds. Folding is way too nitty IMO.
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04-12-2014 , 03:41 AM
Betting ott is most important imo. Tons of Kx in V's range. If he has Qx he'll either c/r ott or c/c ott and then lead otr. So if you're behind the turn bet is the last cent you put in. It's not good to bet just so you can confidently b/f but in this case betting with the intent to b/f accomplishes max. value and at the same time it plays perfectly into how V will let you know when he has trips.
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04-12-2014 , 03:25 PM
Pot = $100 approx.

Call getting 3:1 with the over-pair.

Turn check is good.
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04-12-2014 , 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by eldiesel
Betting ott is most important imo. Tons of Kx in V's range. If he has Qx he'll either c/r ott or c/c ott and then lead otr. So if you're behind the turn bet is the last cent you put in. It's not good to bet just so you can confidently b/f but in this case betting with the intent to b/f accomplishes max. value and at the same time it plays perfectly into how V will let you know when he has trips.
Very much agree with this
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04-13-2014 , 07:02 AM
Turn checks really bad. All that's happened is a potential station has called your cbet on a broadway board. Don't be scared to make money.
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