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07-29-2018 , 08:30 PM
I hit a tough spot at a home game last night and would like some feedback on my line.

Game is very loose and relatively deep (for 1/2), with average stacks of around $500.

Hero has a very loose and aggressive image, but it's paid off (I've run my stack up to $1.3k since nobody ever believes I have the goods). V is a young Asian guy, bluffs and gambles a lot. Possibly titled after losing 2 buy-ins.

I pick up two black aces UTG and open to $25 (standard open at this point). 4 callers (yuck).

Flop 9hTh5c

This flop is way too coordinated for my liking, but I cannot give a flush draw a free card. Bet $75, V in MP calls, everyone else folds.

Turn 4h (yuck).

I check, V goes all-in for $225.

Hero?
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07-29-2018 , 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by krilleater
I hit a tough spot at a home game last night and would like some feedback on my line.

Game is very loose and relatively deep (for 1/2), with average stacks of around $500.

Hero has a very loose and aggressive image, but it's paid off (I've run my stack up to $1.3k since nobody ever believes I have the goods). V is a young Asian guy, bluffs and gambles a lot. Possibly titled after losing 2 buy-ins.

I pick up two black aces UTG and open to $25 (standard open at this point). 4 callers (yuck).

Flop 9hTh5c

This flop is way too coordinated for my liking, but I cannot give a flush draw a free card. Bet $75, V in MP calls, everyone else folds.

Turn 4h (yuck).

I check, V goes all-in for $225.

Hero?
Sure you can. If it checks thru, someone with a FD will have a ton less equity on the turn. You can bet the turn. If you bet and the FD hits the turn, what are you going to do? You're in that spot now and dont know what to do.

When the pot is so big preflop and you get a flop like this OOP, sometimes you just have to accept the fact that you might have to surrender and give up your $25.

If someone else bets, you can evaluate what you want to do.
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07-29-2018 , 08:39 PM
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If it checks thru, someone with a FD will have a ton less equity on the turn.
Why give them a free card? Especially since I'll often have a flush or straight draw myself here, which I'll likely be betting as well.

Checking the flop essentially feels like giving up on my aces.
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07-29-2018 , 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by krilleater
Why give them a free card? Especially since I'll often have a flush or straight draw myself here, which I'll likely be betting as well.

Checking the flop essentially feels like giving up on my aces.


It’s not giving up on aces, but you have to realize your overpair loses a lot of its preflop equity advantage multiway on this flop.

OTF, It all depends on how aggressive Vs are in raising draws. If it’s an aggro game, then checking flop is fine in order to bet brick turns


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07-29-2018 , 08:49 PM
You already had your plan for the hand, so why would you consider calling an all-in after the flush hits?

Meanwhile, you check flop because it's pretty unlikely black aces is going to wind up being the best hand by the river on this board 5 ways. Check decide, consider folding. You just have to recognize some boards/spots are terrible pot share wise for AA. Usually you will be losing more of your stack than getting theirs on a texture like this even if you happen to have the best hand at the moment.
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07-29-2018 , 11:41 PM
Very strange advice here. This is a slam dunk bet on this flop and not having the Ah is not a bad thing. I like the sizing (75) too.

On the turn theres 250 in the pot and villain has 225 left so it's kind of awkward. Given villain tendencies I kind of like the check.

Range analysis: We're getting a little better than 2:1, his value hands are TT 99 55 T9s a bunch of suited connectors and AXhh. So like 22 combos.

To call we need to find 11 combos He calls flop with that we now beat. He probably raises off KK and QQ preflop, so let's give him 1. JJ with Jh is 3. QJ with Q or J hearts we can give him 2 (he wont always play them like this). QJcc and 87cc should count for 1. JT with Jh is 1. Same with QT KT and AT. That's 11. Time to call!

We could possibly give him more value combos and then we'd have to find more hands we beat. I don't like inventing hands we beat to justify bad calls but i also don't like giving villains every single suited connector/gapper to justify bad folds.
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07-30-2018 , 10:26 AM
No, the advice is not very strange.

If we were heads up or maybe even 3ways betting is fine. 5 ways, OOP? Absolutely a check/eval spot with black AA.
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07-30-2018 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by SwolyswoND
maybe even 3ways betting is fine.
Maybe? This is a dream flop for getting 2 streets of fat value.
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07-30-2018 , 05:43 PM
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Usually you will be losing more of your stack than getting theirs on a texture like this even if you happen to have the best hand at the moment.
If I have the best hand at the moment, why would I not be betting to both deny equity and build a pot?

Anyways, the turn is obviously terrible so I checked to see how V reacted.

Results:
Spoiler:

Against the vast majority of villains, I would fold here—black AA is actually near the bottom of my range on this runout.

However, this V is very capable of making a move and gambling it up with something like JhTc or JhQc.

I called and he had 9c8h. River bricks and I take it down.
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07-30-2018 , 06:00 PM
Only you know how much he bluffs/gambles. At my games I fold here unless I know the V.

I would have bet small on the flop turn and river.
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07-30-2018 , 06:03 PM
Didnt read spoilers.

Otf standard cbet, this board is mostly a range check but not 100%, and def not black Aces.

Ott seems like we are dam low in our range so just fold, if he shows QJo or QxJx nh
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07-30-2018 , 11:19 PM
Nh! Way to read villain tendencies and make a good call.
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