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Old 03-27-2017, 02:18 PM   #1
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AA Turn decision? 1/2

1/2 no limit. Buy in is 200 max.

Hero late 20's decently tight player. Not raising PREFLOP with anything but AJ+ and large pocket pairs so far. Been at the table for little over an hour. No hands played against villain. Stack around 220.

VILLAIN is 40's ish Asian guy. Seems to be playing any two cards. Has thrown in a bluff bet on a scary board, and seen him call small bets to showdown with middle pairs. In the last 30 minutes saw him suck out on river cards twice to run his stack up to around 600.

Three limpers to me, on the button. Look down at AAds
I make it 12 to go, EP and MP(villain) call.

FLOP Q67 rainbow with 1 diamond.

Checks to V, who makes it 25. I call, and early pos calls.

TURN is 2 of diamonds. EP checks, V BETS 35.
HERO?

I'm a little torn on if I should stop here or not with this post. I know what I did, and obviously know the results. But I think my first question for right now, will be your opinion on my next move. After some discussion I'll state what happened and then get your thoughts. Or open to suggestions. Thanks in advance guys.
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Old 03-27-2017, 03:04 PM   #2
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Re: AA Turn decision? 1/2

I'd make it mimimum 18-20 with 3 limpers regardless of your holding. When you make it 12 the first limper gets better than 2/1 on the call so he should never fold and the other limpers would get even better odds.
AP: call turn. He could have l/c with a small poket pair but I don't think he would donk out with a set on a relatively dry flop. His most likely holdings here are TPWK and two pairs. You have to call turn and evaluate river.

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Old 03-27-2017, 03:16 PM   #3
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Re: AA Turn decision? 1/2

Raise more pre, raise turn.

AP raise turn. Realistically he should have 12 total combos of sets and some weird two pair combos which we have decent equity against. With AA against this player type I'm never folding and trying to pile as much $$$ in as possible.
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Old 03-27-2017, 08:27 PM   #4
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Re: AA Turn decision? 1/2

Bigger pre...
Either raise the flop or raise the turn.... Only 2pair is 67, sets are scarey, but there are alot more qt+ one pair combos here that we van get value from by raising.
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Old 03-27-2017, 08:44 PM   #5
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Re: AA Turn decision? 1/2

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Bigger pre...
Either raise the flop or raise the turn.... Only 2pair is 67, sets are scarey, but there are alot more qt+ one pair combos here that we van get value from by raising.
How is the only two pair 67 when villain "seems to be playing any two cards"?
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Old 03-27-2017, 08:49 PM   #6
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Re: AA Turn decision? 1/2

Raise more pre $20-25. Raise the flop bet and get your stack in on the turn. Easy game.
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Old 03-27-2017, 08:59 PM   #7
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Re: AA Turn decision? 1/2

I agree. Raise more pre. Im definitely raising him on the turn here. Looks more like a donk bet then a set. I really dont think I am folding to this guy in this spot. Im raising the turn 100 percent of the time here.
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Old 03-27-2017, 09:51 PM   #8
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Re: AA Turn decision? 1/2

Ok thanks guys for the opinions so far. Now, I would like to get some input on what happened next.

On the turn, villain bets 35. The second diamond worried me some, but in my head I really put him on a Queen with good kicker. I thought for a few seconds and decided to just raise all in with a player left to act. Shove was about 180.

EP folded. And villain tanked for over 10 minutes Finally making the call.
I rolled over my AA, and he shook his head and said Damn.

RIVER was another diamond. And he slams down KQ of diamonds, making the flush.

I instantly second guessed my play obviously. But looking back, not sure how it could have been avoided. A bigger raise pre probably doesn't get a fold with this hand by this V. I doubt a flop raise gets anything but a call.

My only hope was maybe not to shove the turn? Had I called, or raised smaller, we get to a diamond river and maybe saved my stack? Still open to any opinions, so let's have em. I just don't know that this particular opponent folds top pair king kicker early in the hand, and obviously not once he picked up the diamond draw. So is there any reason or way for me to find a fold in any of this? Or just a cooler with bad runout?
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Old 03-27-2017, 09:55 PM   #9
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Re: AA Turn decision? 1/2

Don't hate raising flop but calling probably a bit better.

Raise turn for sure.
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Old 03-27-2017, 09:56 PM   #10
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I instantly second guessed my play obviously.
Er, why? You got it in ahead, WTP?
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Old 03-27-2017, 09:58 PM   #11
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Re: AA Turn decision? 1/2

Also if you think bet/call flop with KQ is typical from this v, then raise flop.
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Old 03-28-2017, 12:18 AM   #12
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Re: AA Turn decision? 1/2

Don't be results orientated Catfish. You got your money in as a big favorite. That's what we do (try to do) and we hope for the best. In the long run you're gonna win way more than you're going to lose if you keep getting it in ahead.
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Old 03-28-2017, 12:19 AM   #13
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Re: AA Turn decision? 1/2

Well I think anytime you instantly lost your stack, the primary thought is that you did something wrong to get into that position. But like I said, looking at it and thinking about it, not sure if there was a better line that would have ended any differently. Personally I'm ok with getting it in when I did. But I love getting outside opinions on here.

And on the flop, I think my main reason for the call, was to keep the EP guy in the hand. I assumed he had a pocket pair, or a weaker Q. Should I have tried to isolate one players here, or is having a second player ok
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Old 03-28-2017, 03:28 AM   #14
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Re: AA Turn decision? 1/2

No. Calling on the flop is good to keep other guy in on such a dry board. If it was a wet board raising would be better to protect our equity.
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