3/5 spread max bet of $500. Hero has been running white hot. Reasonably active raising a decent amount but usually with premium hands or big draws post flop. Have about $2500 and V1 has me covered by a little. V1 is pretty awful. I stacked him early on when he check called three streets for a total of about $600 and couldn't beat an overpair. He has since built his stack way up by making questionable pre flop calls and hitting the world on the flop or turn. My read on guys like that (rightly or wrongly) is that they are not capable of big bluffs. The table has been pretty active with many big pots. On to the hand.

V1 limps UTG. Solid player in MP makes it $25. V2 who only has $300 back flats in the SB. I have AA in the BB and I make it $100. V1 thinks for a while (as he typically does) and flats. Solid original raiser flats as does V2.

Flop: JJ7
$400

SB checks. I bet $335. V1 tanks again this time sighing heavily and leaning back in his chair looking (or pretending to look) distressed. He finally announces raise of $500. Original raiser folds. SB calls. Hero?

V1 raises with other players to act and SB check/flats the reraise? Unless there are table and player dynamics at hand here then I don't see how we could possibly be good. Seems highly likely that one of these two players has a J or flopped the world with say 77.

Is flop cbet std or anthg multiway? In any case I hate the sizing

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Can you please explain what about the sizing is so bad?

Almost never good here. How is this a tough spot? I'd also go 225-250 on flop.

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OTF we have no Jx (except for JJ) and no 77, our value range is either WA/WB and betting this much allows villiains to fold all the hands that are WB us and call when they're WA. This means that if we bet (I think checking is best), we should bet small, probably 1/3-1/2 pot.

You are simply bloating a pot that u will not win the vast majority of the time. Those few times that u will win the pot, u will not win much cos u are chasing every hand u beat out with this sizing. Your hand is face up and you open yourself to bluffs. If opponents get married to med pp's u got 2 streets to extract value when it is checked around, but I don't feel super thrilled commiting on this board 4handed.

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I wouldve checked the flop playing this deep, but Im a wuss.

why did you bet the flop?

You would of made your life much easier by checking.

he's not capable of big bluffs so you should assume he has a J

Pre is good..

On this board i just b/f on 3 streets vs this villain

B/F 125$ OTF
B/F 155$ OTT
B/F 175$ OTR
(Depending on the runout - of course)

If V2 comes along I am realising the equity vs him and check it down with V1


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At this point in the hand, especially after the SB call (what can he have that gets it in like this? Sure looks like a J), I don't feel comfortable continuing. Either one or both have a J (or they don't), but I'm not willing to stake a 500BB starting stack on AA here. You know he's playing for stacks with that raise.

I think the poker clack (sighing, followed by despondent raise) and action dictate a fold.

FWIW, I think I check this flop. If I bet, I bet smaller--no real need for 3/4 pot. The paired board flop is ultra-dry: 175-200 should be more than enough. If the flop was QJ3 I would bet closer to 335.

flop sizing is really bad. I usually check this texture, if we are going to bet then bet small. We want worse to call and want to lose less when we are behind. This bet does the opposite.

AP fold, the sigh/raise and then cold-call are both super scary, we are not good here.

snap fold on the flop given the action

Sizing otf sort of depends.
What do you think that they will all do with hands like TT/QQ/99/88 here when you bet $335?
If you realistically think they will call, then the sizing is fine. If you think they will fold, then the sizing is bad.
The reason should be pretty self evident.

In most games I'm going to go $175 - $250 here depending on the particulars of my villains.
Also, a J77r board is much better for getting value than a JJ7r board.

I agree that sizing on the flop is too large. I would have checked, though, with this many players. They can't really call with worse, but if they are decent at all, they could raise with worse not putting you on a J knowing you can't really continue.

However, I think he's raising with a J and it's a fold.

This was the reason behind my sizing. I didn't think much of two of these players and I think they would have a hard time folding much of their range. These players in particular were often calling at least the flop because hey they may hit and I probably have AK anyways. I probably overestimated that in the moment but that was my thinking at the time. In hindsight checking the flop may have been better especially this deep.

Results

I didn't snap fold but did tank fold. After I folded V1 flashed one card, a queen, and mucked the other not realizing V2 was already all-in. So V1 lost the hand and V2 mucked after being pushed the pot. V1 claims he was bluffing which I think was BS and V2 claimed KJ suited, probably just to make V1 feel better about folding what everyone assumed was JQ.

This has autopilot written all over it.

Pre I actually like to go to $125.

Flop check. Sizing is indicative of a button clicking 3/4 pot bet as evidenced by not knowing what to do when raised.