I find it difficult to construct a plausible range that we can't shove over. For example, this range has at least one pair + some kind of straight draw and we still profitable shove:

http://www.pokerstrategy.com
Board: 7h6h4s
Equity Win Tie
MP2 42.90% 41.92% 0.98% { AdAh }
MP3 57.10% 56.13% 0.98% { 88-44, 85s+, 74s+, 64s+, 52s+ }

This excludes hands like A9ss, 99, TT and flush draws like KThh, which is pretty MUBSY vs. an unknown. For all I know, he has K9o. I'm getting it in and on with the next hand.

We're just peachy vs. the range you propose (like 50/50), so folding is awful.

Are we really that good vs this range? I need to start stoving more before replies.

He bought in for $100. From this fact, you can not only determine that he is a fish, you ought to be able to describe exactly how he will play every hand in every situation.

It also makes this situation a turbo fist pump shove. Obviously he'll have us sometimes, but you don't buy in for $100 and then fold 99 or KQhh here; you stack them off and reload if you lose.

"Turbo fist pump shove" lololol. I have this funny mental picture of H tiger Woods fist pumping and shoveling money in.


Lol.


I do see these cats frequently, and most of the time, yes they are indeed fish.

5x and FDs gives us so much equity it's not even funny.

There are a couple of factors that I think get overlooked in these situations by people who advocate folding and they are, in order of importance:

- Shorties stack light, so top pair/overpair type hands (that we crush) they overvalue to a silly degree.

- The wider the range we assign, so they show up with all the made straights, the more drawy hands they have to also have in their range. It's very tough for this guy to have all the straights but no 1 pair + SD hands that he also stacks with.

Basically they want to bingo, they hit, they GII. We just need to show up with a stronger range in order to crush, now things get trickier the deeper the stacks but this kind of thing is just a lol easy standard shove and move on.

Then make it 20 and make money.