villain 1 is a weak young player with $100 who looks kinda trashy and limps in UTG+1, Main villain is late 20's more nicely dressed and has been limping a lot of pots at this new table that just started a couple of orbits ago and calls in MP with $250 after buying in for the max of $300. Third villain is an older guy (50's) who also seems to be limping a lot of pots and giving up when facing aggression and calls in the HJ with $200.

Hero gets AA in the SB and makes it $12 with $500 behind. BB folds, first two call and third guy folds.

Flop comes Q54 rainbow, Hero bets $30 into $40. First villain folds, and the other Villain calls

turn: J backdoor flush draw now where the Q is not that suit, Hero checks, Villain bets $45 (with $160 behind), Hero calls

River: 2 no flush, Hero checks, Villain goes all-in for $160.

Bad turn play? How does your action on the river as played depend on whether the bdfd hits or if a 3 or an 8 drops?

bet 65-70 on the turn (if raised you can FOLD, if called you can go all in on pretty much all rivers, if Villain folds then fine)

I do think you have to call because of the possibility of KQ/AQ (and this would be a logical play since you checked the turn)

You will be losing to QJ a lot of the time

That is a good board for AA. You should really just bet/bet/bet. With 3 limpers I'm probably making it more like $15/$18 pre. $12 makes it too likely that you'll get all 3 to call which is a bit more activity than I like when playing AA OOP. If he's been limping a lot, I'm content to value bet the crap out of him with my overpair.

Checking really screwed this up, because now you don't know what he's up to. He may think his KQ is good, he may have a set, or he could be bluffing with air. Readless I probably fold to big bets like with one pair like this, since most players won't make them without 2 pair+, but I'm never getting to the river this way.

Pot size on each street.

Flop... $40.

Turn... $100

River... $190.

Turn is fine. I probably play the same way. You're not getting called much by hands you beat, and you might see another street for free.

River, is a fold against most villains who are not likely moving in with Qx or Jx, but I admit his sizing OTR leads me to feel like he's bluffing and not really going for value. I don't think calling here is terrible, but probably -EV.

I respect pot control sometimes, but against weak limpers, with only 100bb, you are not trying to stack off here?

Bet/bet/shove given these stack sizes.
Also in general I'm going raise more pre flop for value and to try and encourage <=2 villains to call me.

Playing OOP sucks. It sucks even more against a field of players.

Flop sizing is good.
Turn there are most combos of QT/KQ than QJ/54 (and if Q5 or Q4 is in there range then they have lots of other garbage in their range too) so I think we are ok to plan to get it in here.

If our opponents were better, or had a fold button for QT then this would be different, and I would check the turn a lot more.

@ IRTM

Yes, normally stacking off. But the J OTT just sucks, and I'm happy to slow down a bit. V2's line is very heavily QJ, as KQ and AQ are unlikely since he did not open preflop.

So, IMO, the majority of his range is [QJ,QT,76s] and the lessor part of his range is [54s,A5s,A4s,A3s,A2s]. Obviously, I'd like to get 3 streets of value against that range, but I don't think we get 2 more calls with most of it, so I'm happy to check and see what happens OTT.

I'm not saying you should put villain on a hand like Q2 (or 42), but I haven't seen any reason so far to completely eliminate it from his range.

I suspect this player is more likely to be betting two pair that isn't QJ than to be bluffing.