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07-29-2018 , 10:17 PM
Villain tight passive middle age tall skinny quiet brown guy. Played with him for 6 hours one day before this hand. No notable spots except seemingly folding top pair on a dry river spot vs a 75% pot bet.

Hero joined game for 2 orbits been active and up $200.

Villain has about $175 to start hero covers.

The hand

Hero raises to $15 with AA utg villain calls utg +1 rest folds. Don’t think suits matter.

Flop Q J 10 rainbow

Hero checks v bets $35 hero calls.

Turn 10

Check check

River K

Hero checks v jams ~$125 into ~100 pot.

Hero?

Also thoughts on flop check? I auto checked but vs this stack size is betting better?

Thanks in advance
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07-29-2018 , 10:44 PM
Much as I often hate calling to chop, he has a boat pretty rarely here, imo. JJ and JT are the only FH-making hands that likely flat PF and I'd be pretty surprised if either checked turn. Kinda weird line for TT too.
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07-29-2018 , 10:50 PM
Seems wp.

Now call. Gg if he has fh
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07-30-2018 , 12:50 AM
Tough spot. Fold seems prudent given the positional dynamics and villain description. Sounds like you would have gotten stacks in on better flops/runouts.
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07-30-2018 , 01:46 AM
Easy call for me considering real dollars.
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07-30-2018 , 05:55 AM
If he has a FH so be it, we are calling! However we have to value bet the river, you may be beat here but long term you are missing out on value if he checks back with a worse hand.
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07-30-2018 , 02:16 PM
My thoughts on the flop

We bet to get called by worse and we can think of a bunch of hands that will call our bet.

I am for sure betting flop and folding when we get raised. Yes this is player dependant.
When you don't bet the flop the hand becomes difficult to play.

I am not calling river with this line. The dude has a full house to often. He bet pot on the flop with 2 pair. Checked turn when he hit a boat. Then got the best river card. He's thinking I can jam and get called by any Ace.
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07-30-2018 , 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
Much as I often hate calling to chop, he has a boat pretty rarely here, imo. JJ and JT are the only FH-making hands that likely flat PF and I'd be pretty surprised if either checked turn. Kinda weird line for TT too.
Spr OTT is close to 1. Nothing wrong with checking a boat here. V is labeled as passive. Wouldn't a passive player bet flop with 2 pair then check when they hit a boat.
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07-30-2018 , 02:35 PM
based on your read on him I'm folding.
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07-30-2018 , 02:58 PM
IME, no. A passive player would be more likely to c/c 2-pair OTF, especially as they tend to fear AK, and then bet OTT as when they hit the boat and no longer fear straights. They are not looking at SPR and thinking "I can wait until river." They are looking at Hero checking twice and thinking "ZOMG I haz FH, gotta get value!"
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07-30-2018 , 03:26 PM
I don't think a V who checked a FH on the turn to be tricksy is shoving the river. I would think he may bet less to ensure a call (that is unless you somehow flashed your hand to him and he knows you have an Ace).
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07-30-2018 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by shorn7
I don't think a V who checked a FH on the turn to be tricksy is shoving the river. I would think he may bet less to ensure a call (that is unless you somehow flashed your hand to him and he knows you have an Ace).
The sizing was what felt off coming from a passive V. I think the large sizing for this V combined with the fact that I block 2 aces heavily discount an ace in his hand. Which I suppose increases bluff to value ratio?

The challenge was that there weren't a lot of natural bluffs given he called 15 utg +1.
I suppose small to mid pp's but I'm not confident V fires pot on flop with those.
I have not seen him make a psb prior to this hand.

I see merits in betting/calling flop at this stack size like some others have suggested as we can't be that far behind against his entire range.
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