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AA on Rainbow Flop - Range Variance by Player Type AA on Rainbow Flop - Range Variance by Player Type

01-03-2014 , 03:01 PM
1/2 live in a large casino on a weekend night while waiting for a 2/5 game, only 30 minutes at table, seems mostly recreational with a couple of apparent regs. Fairly short stacked table (100-300) except villain who has 700ish. I have 250 in front of me.

No history with villain, but couple of hands he has played have given off solid reg vibe more so than anybody else at table. Note also I was dressed in team colors watching a football game and gave off a fairly recreational vibe.

I have only played a couple of hands and only showed one hand at the table where I had AA, raised to 15 PF, ended up stacking a fairly short stack who had KQ on a Kxxxx board.

Hand in question I pick up AA again (wow twice in less than an hour!), solid player limps in early position, I raise to 15 in middle position folds around to villain who calls.

Flop comes 10-6-3 rainbow. Villain checks, I lead for 25 (225 behind), and villain proceeds to seemed go all in with exaggerated flair which seemed intentional (putting me all in)...large overbet. I think for a minute and open fold, villain acts pissed and shows a set of 6's.

I felt it was a super easy fold, I thought villain has a set here 90% of the time , put me on an overpair and thought I would stack off on the dry flop. However others at the table thought it was a pretty bad fold.

So 2 questions...

1. Am I wrong that this was a pretty blatant fold?

2. How different would the approach be if villian was a recreational donk 1/2 player vs. a thinking reg? And at 1/2 vs. 2/5?

Only a handful of times I've folded AA on a dry flop so was curious to any other thoughts.
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01-03-2014 , 03:17 PM
Bad fold, you'll see JJ-KK way more often than a set. V can't really have any two pair on this board, and hardly anyone will just shove flop with a set on such a dry board. Don't show either...that's bad.
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01-03-2014 , 03:20 PM
Don't open fold in this sort of situation. Your encouraging villains to bluff you more and play their big hands better.

As for the fold, it isn't super hard on such a dry board. Villain either has a set or is bluffing, and these over bet shoves on dry flop are rarely bluffs. I'm really only interested in sticking around here against villains with a history of over bet bluffs, of over valuing over pairs, or of calling really loose and shoving any draw. I'm more suspicious against a good player just because this is such a bad line for value, but I'm calling a bad player more often because over valuing KK-QQ is so common.
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01-03-2014 , 03:25 PM
In the long run this is a bad fold. Only 3 realistic hands beat you TT 66 33. Generally when an amatuer hollywoods they have the goods so that act makes it easier to fold
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01-03-2014 , 03:25 PM
Also, folding and showing your AA is really bad
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01-03-2014 , 03:27 PM
Without reads on Villian I think it's an ok fold. Sure it's a spot you would normally be willing to stack off, but this is a really odd line for V to take. Overbets tend to be bluffs from less experienced players and value-ish play from more experienced players representing a bluff.
I think this is only an easy call if V is shorter stacked or has been hyper agressive with overshoving.

Showing your hand is kind of meh. He may have not shown his set otherwise and some less thinking Vs will give you less credit for big hands later because "he's already had Aces twice, so he must be out of good card juju for the night".
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01-03-2014 , 03:35 PM
Never Show AA going into the muck.
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01-03-2014 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Sebastes Pinneger
Never Show AA going into the muck.
Totally agree, I never show cards unless required. However I was about to get called for my 2/5 table and A) was having fun and B) wanted villain to show since I was curious about the hand...

Would never have shown if I was staying at the table. Sat at 2/5 for 6 hours afterwards and think I only had 4 hands go to showdown lol.
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01-03-2014 , 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by wj94
Bad fold, you'll see JJ-KK way more often than a set. V can't really have any two pair on this board, and hardly anyone will just shove flop with a set on such a dry board. Don't show either...that's bad.
You think early position limp and flat call a decent raise vs. 3 betting is more often JJ-KK here vs a small pair? I also think 1010-KK raises in this spot but doesn't shove 250 into a $50 pot.

Also agree this probably moves from 90% fold to closer to a coin flip against a bad recreational player who could do this more often with A10 and better...
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01-03-2014 , 03:55 PM
Without reading the results I would have thought:
This is 66 75% of the time, 33 15%, 45 5%, and KK-JJ 5%.

I mean, what is the limp call range of a possible decent reg with 700+ in front? Mostly low PP.

Also, don't show please.
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