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11-03-2016 , 12:03 AM
1/2 NLH Loose table, 9 handed, 230 eff stacks

Hero (230): is a young college student. Has a decent image, but flies under the radar for the most part since I'm only at 115BB.

Villain 1 (250): is a MAWG who has sat down 40 minutes ago. I haven't seen him 3bet. He's also on his second buy-in.

Villain 2 (1100): is an older Asian player who may be the best player in the card room.

Villain 3 (450): is a random LAG. Loves to bet 65 dollars on the turn into pots of 20-30. Bluffs a lot and has stacked three different people at the table with ATC.

Hero has AA OTB... raises to 15. Villain 2/3 call and Villain 1 3bets to 45.

The pot is around 90 right now and would be 120 if I called. This would give the other two villains a pretty good price to see a flop.

Therefore I do not like the calling option. Is this an easy min raise to 90, shove, or somewhere in between?

What is the best line of action? I have villain 1 on a range of 10s+ since he hasn't 3bet at the table yet. Additionally since he got stacked by the LAG he may be scared to play with 10s or Js post flop.

Let me know if my thought process is off or any thoughts you may have, thanks.
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11-03-2016 , 01:21 AM
$120 with $185 behind makes it pretty easy to shove over a cbet OTF.

Really you can argue for 3 actions:

1. Flat and try to ship the flop.

2. Make it around $90 and ship any flop.

3. Shove now to look like AK instead of teh nutters.

I probably flat given position, relatively small stacks and the 3bet already fattening the pot for us.
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11-03-2016 , 02:21 AM
pick up all your biscuits and put them into the pot

no need to fps, you've just been limp/raised with AA and 100bb

Last edited by papagavin; 11-03-2016 at 02:29 AM.
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11-03-2016 , 02:31 AM
click it back to 90 is easy money, and probably the best play.

but, you only have 230, gambol. flat, induce the others, and try not to get cracked.
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11-03-2016 , 11:14 AM
V1 on 2nd BI in first 40 minutes, may be tilting. I'm all-in.
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11-03-2016 , 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by samo
V1 on 2nd BI in first 40 minutes, may be tilting. I'm all-in.
That's what my thought process was, but once I made that play I realized that I may have played my cards face up. I forced him to make the correct play. Next time I'm going to min raise then ship the flop.
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11-03-2016 , 01:13 PM
grunch:

What positions is everyone in?
I'm confused how we get to raise first then V1 3bets?

I'm assuming there is either some straddle, or V1 limp/raised and V2/V3 are in the blinds?

I would click it back here to $95 or so or flat depending on how I felt about the other people in the hand.
If I think that I can get them to come along then I'd flat as we are pretty happy getting 20% of stacks in and just shipping 100% of flops. Maybe not Ace high drop flops, but even then prolly as there will be $180 in the pot with us having $165 in assuming everyone else checks. And really, why would V check here after 3betting pre flop?
So super easy jam.

If I think that V3/V2 are going to fold regardless (look around, what do they look like they 'want' to do?) then I'm going to 4bet to $95 here. And shove 100% of flops. Then we have $135 left to cram into ~$200. Easy game.

Shoving here just lets people fold all sorts of crap that is way behind.
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11-03-2016 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Reubenr676

The pot is around 90 right now and would be 120 if I called. This would give the other two villains a pretty good price to see a flop.

Therefore I do not like the calling option. Is this an easy min raise to 90, shove, or somewhere in between?
Grunching:

V2 & V3 absolutely do not have odds to call. They need to pay another 30 which is roughly 10% of the pot + your remaining stack. You want these guys to come along. Chances are you will stack one or maybe two of them. Maybe one flops a set and stacks you, but it worth the risk given stack sizes. You want to flat V1's 3-bet and let them come along.

V1 - you put him on 10's+ and I presume AK. This seems wide given description, but it true it provides another reason to flat.

KK's (6 combo) will call every time if you 4-bet 100 -120. QQ's (6 combo) is 50/50 I think. JJ's (6 combo) and 10's (6 combo) are folding. AK (9 combo) is folding. Your 4-bet will fold out more than 70% of his range, and you want him in, thinking he's ahead.

I think QQ+ and discounted AK is a more realistic 3-bet range given V's description. A little more than half of this will call your 4-bet. AK won't like the flop 3/4 of time given your blockers, and QQ's won't like flop 1/4 of time. Occasionally, he'll flop a monster and stack you. If his range is tigher, and the V's weren't involved, I would go ahead and bet 100.

I don't see the point in min-betting. It'll make you look stronger not weaker and make it marginally more difficult to GII post.
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11-03-2016 , 06:48 PM
i would just shove
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