I think the fact that V raises to $100 otr, after checking turn that brought trip 9s, makes it a fold. He would have to be bluffing here & that doesn't make as much sense as having a full house. Maybe he thinks K9/A9 is worth a value raise here, or, he checked a flopped str8 ott to protect against a c/r from someone who boated up. Who knows how these people think.

In any event, a V who had been c/c all the way decides to bet out & now V2 raises. Maybe V1 was thinking he could take it down with a $35 bet but Button now shows more strength. Not sure how much is in the pot, as you didn't keep track & I am too lazy to count it up, but I am leaning towards a fold. Need to be there to make a decision.

I think we can start the flop with a check, and go from there.

If flop checks through, you can bet blank turns and check bad turns.

If there's a bet on the flop and it folds to you, you can call and play the turn against one opponent if you're closing action or c/r if you want to fold out action behind you (it's unlikely that any value hand checks on this wet of a board IMO so AA is likely to be ahead of their ranges).

If there's one bet OTF and one (or more) calls, then you can consider c/r all-in as most turn cards are bad for you and will likely improve one or more opponents.

If there's a bet and a raise OTF, then you can fold. Best case is you are against a draw, worst case is you are dead to runners.

Button checked behind brick 3, and then raised top card pairing on river. His line makes no sense... It was 589-3-9... On the other hand, BTN raised a really small turn bet that looks weakish... I don’t see why we’re giving BTN trips+ here; feels like if he’s capable of bluffing, he’s got a ton of bluffs here.

I completely agree here. This line by button looks super bluffy. But the person you may need to be worried about is the player in MP who may have checked turn to pot control against button. Any signals from MP that he might have a strong hand? If not I think this is a clear call

Also bet bigger pf, like $18-21, this $15 bucks stuff ain't getting it done.

Bad flop for your range and great flop for a field of callers.

I would x/eval flop. Once nobody shows interest besides a BTN 1/2 PSB I would put in a raise there. You don’t have to go huge, $90-100 should be fine to clean up the equity situation. The collective field has plenty of equity versus you so we don’t want to invite weak floats.

As played probably x/f the river.

I can get behind not ever folding this flop, but it's far from a slam dunk. Lots of turns make you hate life (5-9, any diamond, even T or J kinda suck). So what's your plan on each of those cards? Not saying c/c is a bad line, but I might honestly just c/f flop. You're oop against 4 op with a flop that hits a calling range. Sure, against 1-2 people it's a pretty simple decision to stick around almost regardless what happens, but this situation sucks.

Otr I don't see how this is anything but a fold. You're behind all 9s, straights, and boats - can you name any hand other than those that plays this way and then raises river? Easy fold and next time consider the l/rr esp at a 3! Happy table.


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+1. I don't want to bloat the pot 4ways so I like check/eval flop, but BTN's range is super wide here, and if one of the other players cold calls our raise, we can just be done with the hand. This line should let us extract value without committing when we're crushed.

Yeah I actually now think this is good. Check/eval/raise BTN to clear the field.

It seems at least a little bit strange to me that we are happy to raise flop to $100, mostly hoping to fold out most worst hands and scoop the $110 in the pot. And putting us into some really tricky situations on the turn... But we are afraid to call (or raise) the $100 on river to win $245, when almost nothing has changed. Yes, the 9 paired, but MP’s hand looks much more like an 8 or a hand like 56, and BTN’s hand looks a lot like a bluff. AA is the nut bluff catcher for us. I think I’m gonna call here, and be good more than 30% of the time.

Folding out worse hands in a multiway pot is not a bad result when we have one pair and the field has significant equity against us.

This. 100%.

I folded river. I just dont think we can ever call there with aces because we only beat bluffs, which on its own could justify a call, but with mp calling a 9 high flop, and then donking the river when the 9 pairs the board, I just dont see how we can call in the middle of btn and mp. I guess I still feel the same that its probably necessary to mix it up with AA utg. Sometimes limp/raise, and others open...and, heh, hope that we dont get 4 callers when we do open...AND...hope for better flops. As for post flop, I still dont know. Bet/bet/bet can put is really tough situations oop here, and check/calling still just seems a little weak/passive.

Lil add on to the hand. As said, I fold, and mp asks btn to show just one card. Btn says pick one and then rolls over a 6h. Mp says, well, I knew it. Guess you had straight and shows that hes mucking K9...I dont know why I was laughing at him because I was also bluffed. Btn shows 66. Obviously he never has nut straight and checks back turn. I was right in thinking mp has a lot of 9X hands though. Just couldnt imagine someone ever folding a 9 to that raise.

There was no bets on turn

Also, I think mp looks a lot like a 9 outside of his kimd of weak sizing on the river. With that said I constantly see players betting too weak, particularly with big hands on rivers after checked tgrough turns. If I had 9Ts or A9 in mp here, I think I play it similarly a lot of the time except I bet much bigger on the river.