Hero has been playing solid tag. Villain is a decent reg not getting too out of line.

1/2 Stacks $550 effective. Hero AAxx

Villain raises to $11 in MP. Hero 3 bets to $41 from the BB. Villain thinks for a bit and calls.

Flop Tc 8x 5x. ($83)
Hero checks. V checks.

Turn 2c ($83)
Hero bets $55. Villain calls quickly.

River 5c ($193)
Hero bets $115.

Thoughts on sizing/ action on all streets appreciated. I checked flop for pot control oop. Turn bet more than 2/3 pot? River x/ call or lead?

After the hand was over I was thinking it's actually a pretty cool spot to x/ jam and turn our hand into a bluff?

AA is basically at the bottom of my value bet river range, hoping to get called by a weaker over pair. Obv sometimes he'll have the flush, but I don't think he ever has a boat here.

Gotta post all the cards here, including the suits or the analysis is not very useful

I thought I posted all the relevant cards. What else should I include? Was waiting for responses before posting results.

Flop was rainbow. I didn't have the Ac.

Apologies if it's not the forum norm. When I put notes in my phone I use "x" as a suit that has no bearing on the hand. Think I had a heart and spade, but had no chance of FD or a blocker so didn't see the relavance.

It's unclear from "Tc 8x 5x" if the flop is rainbow or two-tone, also was unclear originally whether you had the Ac, although the assumption would be no. Probably easiest is to just make up suits if they don't matter, that way it's all clear.

I'm just straightforwardly leading the flop, don't see the case for checking really. The problem with checking OOP for pot control in this spot is that if V checks, then mission accomplished, but that is almost certain to mean that AA is good. If V bets, mission not accomplished, and it's going to be harder to get away from the hand since it's the top of your checking range. All that said, it's hard for checking AA here to be terrible.

Something in how you're playing is too passive/nitty. AA shouldn't be your worst value bet because it shouldn't be possible for V to fold everything except worse overpairs, bearing in mind that after check flop, flat turn overpairs are the top of V's range, aside from flushes. That should be overfolding. It's probably just that you're not aggressive enough OTR, but it could also be that your threebet range is too tight (and therefore that V is correct to assume that a big chunk of it is overpairs).

Have no clue what you mean in the bit about turning your hand into a bluff. What hand(s) would you be aiming to bluff out?

What kind of range are 3betting here pre this deep vs a competent Villain? My value range in TT+, AQs+, with a few random Axs type hands. I've played with Villain before, but he's seen me 3bet at least 4-5x since he's been at the table tonight.

I just started playing regularly again about a month ago, so it's very possible I'm playing too nutty, but I play fairly aggro imo when effective stacks are 100bb or less imo.

Re: turning my hand Into a bluff

I think V will bet over pairs and flushes for value when checked to. Given that the board paired on the river I thought I might have fold value vs that range (knowing I'm beating some of it) if I x/ raise for $200 more.

I dunno. Just a thought i had.

What range are you 3betting here?

what was villains stack size?

IMO you pissed a street of value on the flop...its 1/2 just play abc value poker

I understand your approach but the flop is where we are going to get the lightest calls especially at this level.

even more of a reason to cbet is its a 3 bet pot and we can get the max from overpairs

need to know stack size to give input on future streets

550 effective stacks. 275bb deep before flop. It's in the thread title and 2nd sentence of the post

Edit. Guess it should be 275bb in thread title

Very interested to hear both 3betting ranges and Cbet ranges in this spot.

Don't mean to come off as confrontational. Just trying to generate discussion. I've always been a better tournament player than cash.

My thought process was I'm getting floated a decent bit if I cbet flop and there are many turn cards where I'm flying blind basically. I guess I'd get a few folds and some value from overpairs, but betting flop seems like it's bloating the pot and I'll be guessing the rest of the hand.

I mean dude its a 3 bet pot and you have AA on a 10 8 5 flop bloat away brotha bloat away.....also remember that 275 bigs isn't as deep as you think

275 bigs in cash plays much smaller than 275 in a tournament

as far as his 3 bet calling range that is for you to decide...you have been sitting with him

have you seen him play 3 bet pots?

you would be c betting a flop like this with all your 3 bet bluffs correct?
so why not with your value.

we haven't seen the turn card yet so make your decision off of what info has been presented.

adjust need be on further streets

you need to c bet this flop its 1/3 don't overanalyze it

lower limits is all about exploitative poker not gto

the exploit is on the value side

these players don't fold

if he flopped a set oh well gg variance

Fair enough. Possibly a leak in my deep stack game, but I am checking this flop a fair bit with both bluffs and value. Against fish I am betting all day long. Against this particular opponent I am trying for 2 streets of value. I opted for turn and river. Appreciate the insight

I just realized this is 1/2 bet flop all day you don't need "balance" at this level

you are overthinking

you balance to balance your ranges.....these players are not thinking about ranges

but why predetermine only 2 streets of value when we are on the flop.

stay in the moment

if we get a sh*t run out and we know this villain doesn't make big moves in 3 bet pots than we have to make a tough laydown that's what winning poker players do.

that turn card is absolutely beautiful

another street of value after the c bet on flop

I don't know too many 1/2 players (not saying they aren't out there) that just go crazy in 3 bet pots and get stacks in with bluffs

I barely see 3 bets at 1/2 that aren't AK JJ+ 1/2 is all loose passive

Most LLSNL players are chronic underbluffers against good players because the LLSNL meta is so calling-station-infested. Most also have too low a tolerance for free cards and won't just flat and let you keep betting as much as they should. My approach here is probably going to be to keep betting until I get raised. If I get raised I'm going to hate life and will have to make a tough decision between folding and stacking off, but I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. I might have to rely on V not being super aggressive, but trying to pot control from OOP is also relying on that, so we might as well cut out the middleman. You should have good chances of getting stuff like QQ and JJ to stack off vs you here. If you don't, loosen up your threebetting range or throw more bluffs in postflop.

I guess I'm cbetting my entire range on this flop, I asserted a range advantage preflop and nothing has really changed.

How much I threebet depends heavily on the specific player, some players never fold to them, others virtually always do. As a sort of gto-ish starting point though, I'd have { TT+, AQ+ } as my value range, then A2s-A5s, JTs, QJs, whatever else I feel like. It's very fluid though, based on table dynamics, what my image is like, etc. I'll generally threebet looser and looser against people until I start to get the sense that they're getting sick of me.

I do a lot of checking HU with TPMK and pocket pairs with one over to the board, I think AA is too strong to check here though, we are near the top of our range.

With regards to going for 2 streets, against more aggro regs you can cbet, x turn and either call turn, x river to mostly call again or bet river if he checks back. I might do that with JJ or QQ.

Against a decent reg, flop check isnt bad.

OTT would size up to $60-$65, his calling range is very inelastic.

OTR same reason, i would size up to around 80-90% pot. You look so FOS here and if he has a pair he's not folding when the board pairs and you took a "nonsense" line with an overpair.

Well played. Size up on river though.

For those thinking he lost street of value. He protects AK AQ, and easily gains that street of value back by widening V calling range.

Very well done

Unless the 3-bet was meant to fold out limpers (when it does not look like there were any), I don't see the purpose of 3-betting if you are going to check a harmless flop for "pot control."

His reason for check is smallest part of the benefits.

Definitely don't want to get 270BB in with 1 pair when we can help it. Unless we are facing a complete drooler or Lag capable of bluffing off vs strong range.

Generally we are just going to win 1 street or 2 streets of value here anyway.

Getting KQs, and JQs, hands to bluff flop is added bonus. Add in fact we are likely getting looked up from 33-77 at least one street also adds value to the check.

On such a dry flop. With virtually no scare cards. What is hurry to get value?

Not even that many hands V can have that is going to pay 2 streets. JJ,99, 77, and bunch of 10x?

Against majority of that range. JJ, and most of his 10x is going to bet. So I can argue, we gain value by checking, while also controlling pot size to a degree.

If he bets flop. We can donk turn and river if we feel he will shut down.

Majority of time.

I would expect V to bet flop here. Check turn. And hero call my river overbet

If you think that "decent regs" are never calling more than one street without a monster, then Hero should be double barreling whiffed overcards on this type of board nearly 100% of the time.

Going for 3 small streets? Or bet/bet jam

these comments are very cute

so fancy

its 1/2

bet for value bet some more and be willing to make big laydowns at this level of poker its all about exploiting your opponents since the majority of the player pool are recreational players

the biggest exploit is on the value side because these players cant fold

forget gto forget balance at this level

value value value and build your bankroll

at this level you just have to be willing to bet/fold big hands because these opponents will not be turning hands into bluffs 270 bigs deep especially on the river. the lightest street of value we are going to get here is on the flop so for debate sake we could check call turn or check call river but you should be betting the flop at 1/2 close to 100% of the time. like I said if we want to get cute and talk balance and ranges our 3 bet bluffs would bet here would it not? how much of a better flop do you want. (this isn't directed towards anyone just talking poker) goodluck goodluck fellas

I love the check on the flop OOP

As played I like the turn bet

River I bet/ fold all day here

Can get called next by lots worse

AA should never be at the bottom of ur value betting range here. If it is you aren’t going thin enough.

U can get called by 10x more than u think here

Please tell me why you feel the need to 3 bet to $41 instead of $40. I really want to know why people do this.