$2/$5 Bellagio

I have ~$1600
UTG $675
LP $500

Hero is a 27 year old white male
utg is a young Asian women, I think she's a reg
LP is an old grabby Iranian man

PF:
UTG raises to $25, I make it $75 in MP with AA LP cold calls, UTG calls.

Flop($232): 965r
Utg checks, I look over at LP and he throws out $65 before I speak or make any actions. So I think and check with the intention to raise. He must now complete his action, and has to bet $65, so he does, UTG calls, I make it $150, LP folds, utg calls.

Turn($597): 965r 4
UTG checks I bet $210, knowing that is about 1/2 of her stack, she calls

River($1017): 965 4 7 r
UTG checks, I bet $250, she has $240 left


First, lets talk about the flop, I think that leading for more than $65 might be better here than check raising, I think the old man in late position might call more that. But I dont' really want to play this 3 ways to the river.

River, is this thin or not, I'm narrowing her range down to TT+, I stuck with my gut and

Gotta ask: Obviously you are hero, so you know you are 27. Any particular reason this is relevant? Also, would they know? Do you look exactly 27? Or could you be 36? Or 22?

Are you sure he is Iranian? Maybe due to your experiences you can tell. I'm pretty sure I couldn't definitely identify someone as Iranian just by seeing him. Also, grabby? Has he been inappropriately feeling up the "young Asian women [woman]"? Did you mean crabby?

How young is young? You are 27, so is the Asian woman 23? Is that young? I made the mistake this past Thursday where I was in one of my boss's office and on a conference call with another partner and was discussing an issue about a particular person and at one point was asked if said person was young. I am 28 btw. (The context might help you understand even more about this, but I'm not gonna say that.) I answered something like: No, I don't think so .... I think he is at least 50. The partner on the other end of the phone jokingly said to my boss to smack me (in the context especially she was thinking more like younger than 80 or 90 [and of course they are both in the 50 area]). It was joked about a little more that day.



Anyway .... sorry for the chatter.


Live hands of these stakes technically go here: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...low-stakes-nl/



On to the hand:


Do you have any actual reads or info on the opponents?

If not, I'm either just calling the flop .... or much more likely raising much more. Raise to $250ish on the flop and plan to shove most turns in most situations.

As it was played, I might check back river. But it is live and you gave no reads and she did open UTG so she could fairly easily be a fish who would go with TT-QQ here ... though even then not sure it is enough to bet.

Is that live low stakes forum new?

I think it's relevant to say who I am, but I should have put this instead:
"Hero is a 27 year old white male with a winning image who hasn't' gotten out of line or showed down any bad hands " I would say I look younger than 27 though.

I'm not sure if the older man was exactly Iranian, but he had an accent, and wasn't touching anyone at the table, he was just crabby. The young Asian women was about 25ish, but Asians age well I think, so she could have been > 30 I suppose. That's a funny story, age can be a touchy subject, but it's just a number though, right?

I didn't really have an specific reads, but I think c/ring bigger on the flop and then shoving turns might have been the ideal line, and utg c/f with $240 left.

you can move this to the other forum if you want.

I don't think it is that new. I'm not sure exactly when it was created though.

I think that description of yourself matters more in this situation than just "27 year old white male".

I actually don't care if this posted here or in the other forum. Was just pointing out for your information a forum where it may be more suited (but maybe you would rather get opinions of people who more often frequent this forum ... that is your business). Anyway, my name is in green, but I only moderate the Beginner's Forum. I do not moderate this forum and I can not move posts from this forum nor do anything else with respect to this forum.





EDIT:


Well ... it looks like somebody else has moved it.

I would make the raise otf bigger, you are raising only $85 more into a $427 pot and are definity missing some value here. Other than that, nh

Played it well. Her hand looks a lot like JJ/QQ.

You definitely have to raise the flop bigger. You are 3 handed and raising $85 into $427 (after you're $65). That's like 20% of pot. They don't even have a button that low online lol.

I think checking the flop to make old man's $65 stay was smart, but then when it comes back to you, pot is $362. You gotta make it at least $250 here. Even if you only make it $250 villain only has to call $185 into a pot of $612. Then you have an easy shove on turn.

As played, I think River bet is fine. She obviously has an over pair or a set at this point. Once she checks the river, I think her range is weighted way more to over pairs or else she played her set really poorly. She has to call $240 to win over $1250 on the river so she's getting 5:1. She really shouldn't be folding ANY pair here. Good bet.

FWIW, I think adding details like your age and V's ages is hugely important and helpful. Not really sure why Lego was all over that.

Yeah I love this river bet.

So she c/f the river, not sure how....

maybe you don't play with a lot of persians? Its kind of its own race and pretty recognizable. I don't know as i could nec. quantify it but like esfandiari you really couldn't look at him and mistake him for anything else.

also IMO the 27YO thing is somewhat relevant in a llnl hand because, correct or incorrect, a lot of players react to younger people differently than they do to older people. OP might look 22 or 32 or whatever, but the grabby/crabby life hating reg is still frequently going to react to him the same way.

per the hand, i just lead the flop. my problem with the CR here is that it looks even stronger than a normal checkraise, since you knew the bet was coming.

IF you cr here, i think the sizing has to be bigger.... i think your 150, which is near a min raise, gives you the worst of both possible worlds. You give away a lot of information about the strength of your hand, but only realize basically as little value as possible. IMO you can go with a .5psr here and get action from most of the hands that would call a smallish raise.

I also think theres a little more value to be had ott.... IMO if you bet a little more, there is a not terrible chance that she will spaz ship a hand of moderate strength. I think with 450 in front of her, shes likely to just flat a 210 bet, but might decide shes pot committed so she mise well ship if you bet like 280-290.

River -- i bet smaller. You and I know that a hand like TT-QQ here is a bluff catcher because of the way the hand played out. Villain probably does not in most circumstances. However, with 4 to a oe str on the board, most unsophisticated villians will assume that any hand but the straight is a bluff catcher. I realize youre not likely to have the straight because of the way the action went, but i think most llnl vilains are going to see it and tighten up just based on the way the board looks....

Its relevant in llnl but, IMO thats about the only place it is.... maybe legos not an llnl guy.

He bet less than 1/4 pot.

I realize that... and if we were talking about a sophisticated villain in a low stakes game or an unknown in a higher stakes game, I'd agree that any bet is basially the same as a ship because effective stacks are so small.

However, for a typical llnl villain, i think picking off a bluff for $100 here is much much easier psychologically than picking off one for the entirety of their remaining stack

You are losing so much EV when betting only 100 instead of putting it all in