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Old 12-07-2014, 09:28 PM   #1
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AA miss value or wp?

1/2 at local casino

I have been sitting for hour up $500 or so both villains just sat so no reads but villain 1 was seemingly decent fromwatching his sizing and iso's late position on the orbit we played. Villain 2's 3rd hand at table

Villain 1 $300 button
Villain 2 $250 BB
Hero covers

Hero dealt AdAs UTG

Hero raises to $8 HJ calls, Button calls, BB calls

Pot $32

Flop Ah Kd 3c

BB checks, hero checks, HJ checks, Button bets $16, BB c/r to $35, I call, HJ folds, Button calls

Pot $137

Turn 7h

BB checks, I check (this is where I think I made a mistake not betting turn but planned on trying to get button to stab and hope that BB would call and I could c/shove) unfortunately button checks behind

River 8d

BB checks, I bet $65, button calls, BB folds

Thoughts thanks?
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Old 12-07-2014, 09:57 PM   #2
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Re: AA miss value or wp?

I'm fine flatting OTF since this is such a dry board, there aren't too many hands that will get it in now. Those hands that will stack off OTF will stack off at any point, so no reason to push off hands we crush.

Absolutely bet turn after BB checks. If anyone would have been betting OTT it would be BB, once he shuts down we need to try and get value from button.

65-85 OTT and shove all rivers.
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Old 12-07-2014, 10:10 PM   #3
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Re: AA miss value or wp?

Preflop is small for most 1/2 games. After checking the flop, flatting the raise is OK on such a dry board. 3 betting the flop blows everything except sets out of the hand, and your probably stacking the sets anyways. Leading flop OOP with 3 villains is OK also. Not betting the turn was a mistake. BB is polarized to the extreme here, after makes the near min raise on flop and checking turn, either he has a set and is waiting for somebody to make a move or he has given up. It is unlikely button bets unless he has a set, after you call the flop. There is no point in deception at that point, after calling the min raise your hand is at least a good AX.
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Old 12-07-2014, 11:14 PM   #4
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Re: AA miss value or wp?

I don't understand the preflop raise size.

I don't understand the flop check.

Also, When playing live, you should have reads the minute your opponent sits down. I'm not talking about how he plays hands, but how that person looks. Are they white? Black? Asian? Indian? Man? Woman? Old? Young? How is that person dressed? Casual? In a suit/dress? What day / time is it? These questions might seem silly but it's a factor in live poker.

Also, choice of casino plays a factor of how a person plays as well. A person playing at aria is way different than someone who plays at a smaller room (like a Mirage or MGM grand).
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Old 12-07-2014, 11:31 PM   #5
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Re: AA miss value or wp?

Lots of value lost. Flatting flop is fine. However, you missed a bet on the turn to set up a river shove.
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Old 12-08-2014, 01:06 AM   #6
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Re: AA miss value or wp?

Checking top set as the pfr on the flop is OKish here, though I still prefer a cbet. I'd much rather check top set on a dry board with QQ/JJ/etc: few/no draws out we can get value from, but there's a good chance for villains to improve to a TP hand if overcards to the board come. On this board villains can't improve to a TP hand: hands that won't call a bet on the flop have 2 outs to improve to a strong hand (sets). I'd want to have a pretty strong read that HJ or BTN is aggro enough to almost always bet when the pfr checks here before checking. We can still get value on this board from the case A, Kx, and broadway gutters.

After you check the flop it's a pretty clear cold-call when it gets back to you. It should set off some alarm bells if villains are thinking about your hand at all, but it at least leaves the possibility of you having weak TP/KQ type hands and gives some room for BTN and/or BB to spaz. Probably the only hand we might prefer to 3bet the flop against is A3 and that's a small part of their ranges.

The turn check is pretty bad. When the last aggressor (BB) checks the turn, you can't count on BTN betting very often.
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Old 12-08-2014, 03:32 AM   #7
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Re: AA miss value or wp?

Yeah, this is why I prefer a cbet on the flop. When you call the cr on the flop, that looks super strong. You have to go ahead and bet the turn in that case, but its a bet that probably forces a fold from anything weaker than AQ.

Strong chance that if you bet the turn, both players fold.

But if you had bet the flop, particularly after such a weak pf raise, you'd invite a lot more action from hands that caught a piece and see no reason to credit you with a big hand.

Bet 20 on the flop, and (assuming 2 callers and no cr) 50 turn, then 100-150 river. Flop and turn bets will be small enough for them to decide its worth making a play. River will be close to all-in for either player, leaving them deciding whether or not to make a hero call with their Ax/Kx.
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