Hi everyone,

I am new to this site and thankful for every hint or advise that I can get on here. I just wanted to start out by posting a hand that I had to deal with this weekend.

Just moved tables and dont have much knowledge of my opponents yet.

Main Villain has about $500 behind him.

Hero sits down with $700 and sits in the middle position

9 handed and hero wakes up with AA and raises to $10. Gets three callers

Flop comes 88j, hero makes it $30, SB calls

Turn comes 2, hero makes it $70, SB thinks for a Moment and calls

River Comes 5. SB checks and hero does what? Raise as two pair should win the pot most of the time or be afraid that SB holds an 8?

Many thanks everyone

Pretty good spot to bet/fold

highly doubt you are going to get raised as a bluff - An 8 will most likely raise the turn this deep - only hand that will call turn and raise river is a flopped boat.

I'm betting somewhat small - like $100 as I think you might blow him off a jack if you bet too big. If he raises any amount it is unfortunately a fold and i'd be kicking myself for not checking back. That being said I think you miss too much value to check behind here.


Only thing I can say about checking behind is you get the opportunity to see his hole cards and that might hold some value if you and villain both play at this game a lot.

Also I think your PF raise is pretty bad for being this deep. Any time your raise gets 3 callers and you didn't raise it huge - it's a pretty bad sign.

Welcome to the forum. Did you open pre or were there limpers in front?
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As for the hand, It looks like villain has alot of Jx and possibly PP like 99 or TT. I say "possibly" because villain's resiliency are a necessary read before including these hands in his range. Of course he could have trip 8x, but I would expect villain to, at least, raise turn with trip 8x...so we can discount the number of 8x holdings in villain's range. He could also have some busted SDs like T9

Overall, I like a bet of $100 on the river (into a $240 pot) to get calls from these worse value hands......oh and I would defintiely bet/fold river

Betting small looks too much like a value bet from KJ/AJ or QQ+. I'd probably go $200-220 on river and try to get V to level himself into a call with Jx or 99/TT since the PFR obviously always has AK. If he shoves over a bet that big he has to have a boat or 8x. Also, raise more pre, $15-20

Thanks everyone for your reply so far. The only problem that I see with raising higher preflop is that it might give away the strength of my hand. That why I made it 5x BB. However, I agree that getting multiple callers is far from optimal.

Thanks, will make sure to get a better Format next time. There were no limpers so I opened it pre.

ya this. But i might not pot the flop ive noticed it scares a lot of ppl make it something standard like $25 and he auto calls without even thinking with 22+J2+ Q9

he prob gets to the river on this board pretty wide wouldnt be surprised if you get calls from TT or even 99. He does have a lot of 8x though ):

So in the end hero raised on the river to $100 and got called by 86, giving villain a 3 of a kind

lol @ V just calling three streets with an 8

Yeah, I guess that's 1/2 for you but was def very strange

raise more pre. this is $1/$2. they'll call more than $10. it isn't online. don't treat it like that. you can open raise to $20 and get callers. easily.

It's actually not a bad line for V to take with an 8. Didn't he get the most value possible from Hero? At 1/2 you don't see many players go for thin river value or a lot of times they only bet 2 of 3 streets for value, whichever two it may be. But against someone who can bet 3 streets for value, sometimes a raise is a red flag and there's more merit to c/c the whole way. You need certain board textures, and can't level yourself into FPS and lose value by doing it too often, but in the right spot c/c the whole way, or being ip and flatting the whole way works great.

Having said that, I wouldn't have thought random V is capable of doing that, or capable of c/c, c/c, c/r either, and I would have bet all 3 streets for value from a J.

Pretty strange c/c on the river on his part you have exactly what you are repping and if he doesn't know whether or not you can fold that hand it's an easy shove for him since most fish at those stakes are sigh stacking off with AA there. As far as how you played it, it's fine except for the size of your opening raise pre. It is very standard in these games to open at least 15$ and often you will get called for even bigger raises. The trick is to find out what's the max 1 guy will call with a bad hand against you and make that your standard open. Considering how deep you are and your iffy position in the hand you need to open 25-30$.

yeah this+1 good post