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09-06-2016 , 04:47 PM
0.25/0.50 € home game 3 handed, 4 am. Started at 10 pm with 7 people with 0.10/0.25 blinds.

V is the host. Decent hand reader. A bit on the cally side. Attacks weakness in heads up situations where he called pre. Positionally aware, raises pre from the button in unopened/limped pots with a wide range. Tighter from the blinds and EP but still involved in a bunch of situations. 3bets maybe once in an hour (way more often than the average player in this game). Plays 1/2 and 2/4 games on occasion. V is running bad tonight and has rebought several times. Stack ~ 75.00.

Hero is seen as tight by V (but is opening up now three-handed). On first buy in of 25 € and covers V.

History with V tonight: In two pots Hero was the preflop raiser, checked flop to V and folded to turn aggression. Stacked V later with JJ vs 44 on an AA4 J 7 board (with 0.10/0.25 blinds, 60 € effective).

OTTH:

Hero raises to 2.50 with AA OTB
V 3bets to 6.00 pretty quickly.
BB folds.
Hero thinks for ~15 seconds and calls.

Vs range could be 99+, AK, AQ, some AJs, perhaps ATs. Could be wider (KQs? 77, 88) but have yet to see him 3bet with worse. He is probably adjusting to Heros tight preflop raising range.

Flop (12.50): 974

V bets 7.00, H calls

Turn: (26.50): 5

V thinks for a few seconds, bets 14.00

Hero? Obviously not folding but how do we proceed? Thanks in advance for your comments.
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09-07-2016 , 12:34 AM
After V's turn bet, you have 34(?) Behind and pot is 40.

Shovel your money in you have the best and are getting called a lot.

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09-07-2016 , 02:19 AM
AP, I stick it in OTT.

However, I am raising somewhere before the turn, either preflop (depending on how I think he views 4 bets) or OTF which is wet giving a ton of draws but also low enough we get paid by overpairs.
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09-07-2016 , 03:01 AM
Thanks so far.

On the turn, V has 48.00 behind after putting in his bet.

My thoughts:

I considered 4betting pre but it would have been the first 4bet of the evening and given my image and history with V would have turned my hand face up, right? With my call, the SPR is around 6 which I thought should be okay against a somewhat aggressive player. But I am definitely open to criticism here.

Yes the flop is wet but I hold the ace of spades, so V has nearly no flush or straight draw combos. Of course a spade (or a high card, depending on his actual holding) could slow V down on the turn. In hindsight, I think he would call a decent flop raise with an overpair to the board so definitely worth considering next time.
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09-07-2016 , 04:58 AM
Here's my problem with not raising sooner - we're 300bb deep. So we can either play a small pot or go for stacks and the small pot isn't an option when villain 3bets. So I want to set us up for stacks early on. If villain 3bets tight, we can repop with a decent chance to see a call plus we also deny him odds to set mine. If we decide to flat to disguise our hand strength, this is a great flop to raise because a lot of worse hands will call now.
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09-07-2016 , 04:29 PM
Understood. By raising flop we also take advantage of our wider range that leaves him a lot of room to think that he is still ahead.

With regard to set-mining, I was not overly concerned with denying set-mining odds. V raised to 6 pre with 69 behind, that can hardly be profitable. While he probably stacks me with a flopped set, he also needs to proceed perfectly on whiffed flops. On the other hand, if we really want to deny set mining odds, we need to 3bet at least to 18-20 €. I felt that I would lose him to often and also his cbet-frequency is very high which allows me to let him do the betting post. But that is totally read-dependent and cannot really be discussed here.
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09-07-2016 , 08:21 PM
Sorry. Stopped reading when you didn't 4bet pre 3handed with AA.
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09-08-2016 , 12:39 PM
If he's folding a strong 3bet range when we 4bet pre flop, why aren't we 4bet bluffing more?
4bet pre flop.

As play, cram it in.
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