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10-17-2015 , 05:27 PM
SB is mid late 20s very eccentric looking with many tatoos and braided hair. I have seen him sitting in bigger games last few days, not sure if he is a good player but he is on the list for all the bigger games.
In his 40 mins at the table he has been playing 90% of hands. Called a raise from a old guy with 97o, shoved a 668 flop and showed the bluff after old guy folded.
He also CR/called an all in on a A356 flop with 77.
Not sure if he is clueless or just donking around at a lower level.
Hero has not done much all this time.
effective stacks are around $400

Hero raises UTG with AA to $20

MP calls, SB calls, BB calls

Flop is T35 (Pot is $80)
SB leads $30, Hero calls, everyone else folds.

Turn is K (Pot is $140)
SB checks, Hero checks

River is Q (Pot is $140)
SB checks, Hero bets $75, SB insta makes it $180, Hero calls
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10-17-2015 , 05:45 PM
probably bet / folding turn

River is probably a check back since you don't want to be put in a tough spot and it's going to be hard to get called by worse.

As played it's pretty hard for him to have a flush with that turn check. Don't think he would check 2 streets as an aggressive player. QT or KT is more likely.
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10-17-2015 , 06:52 PM
Bet turn

As played I'm snapping against this opponent. Both your lines rep nothing
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10-17-2015 , 06:56 PM
I bet the turn and as played call river.
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10-17-2015 , 07:02 PM
Bet turn.

Not folding against this type of player.
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10-17-2015 , 09:35 PM
Bet the turn. I would imagine that, in game, I wouldn't be able to find the discipline to fold to a clown like this, but you're probably beat. The difference between him bluffing on the other hands and now is that he can't get there now if he gets called. Probably something weird like Q5 or Jd9x.
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10-17-2015 , 10:00 PM
This is hand was played extremely well in my opinion. I'd bet turn against a standard 1/2 opponent, but against someone who is capable of hand reading and has the ability to spew, checking turn is awesome because it "caps your range" in villain's eyes, and is going to induce a lot of bluffs. I bet villain shows up with Tx here a lot along with the occasional weirdly played flush.
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10-17-2015 , 10:06 PM
against this buy i like a flop raise and probably have to call off a shove even though it sucks. Turn should be a bet. AP think i may call as this guy could just have so much weird stuff but idk its a weird line as a bluff. Think you hurt yourself by underepping your hand so much. Turn really needs to be a bet.
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10-17-2015 , 10:10 PM
Looks like two pair.
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10-18-2015 , 09:49 AM
Raise flop fo sho
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10-18-2015 , 10:15 AM
As played, OTR you're getting about 4 to 1 to call. He's bluffing more than 20% of the time in this spot so it's a call, but I think it's thin. He shows up with two pair a lot here.
He's playing 90% of hands. Opening? Calling almost all raises? Maybe open bigger pre since he's going to defend a very wide range.
OTF, I kind of prefer flat calling to a raise since he's possibly going to jam all draws and you can evaluate the turn with position.
OTT, bet.
OTR, as played, I don't know if a check is better than a value bet, but I imagine you had a plan as to what you'd do if you bet and he raised. If you had no plan, check behind. If plan was bet/call a reasonable raise, easy call. If it was bet/fold, then fold.
Getting 4 to 1, I'd call. But I think you're going to see a rogue 2 pair a lot, possible QT. sometimes you'll see something like AdTx (leading top pair with over card and NFD. Given player profile, he could easily have defended SB with KT, QT, and if the side card was a diamond, more the better for him.
There are enough bluffs and one pair hands in his range to call at this price.

OTR, did you have a plan as to what you'd do if he raised? If not, that's something to think about for future hands. Just firing river without an idea as to what you'll do if he raises isn't optimal.
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10-18-2015 , 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Dutchstreetfish
OTR, did you have a plan as to what you'd do if he raised? If not, that's something to think about for future hands. Just firing river without an idea as to what you'll do if he raises isn't optimal.

No plan, this is LLSNL against players who play their hand face up 99% of the time. I have been double check raised maybe once in 100s of hours of play.

Everyone who says to bet turn is it a bet/fold?
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10-18-2015 , 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Leobzook
No plan, this is LLSNL against players who play their hand face up 99% of the time. I have been double check raised maybe once in 100s of hours of play.

Everyone who says to bet turn is it a bet/fold?

It is closer to a bet/call on turn than it is on this river. On the turn he can still try to semi-bluff. Still a bet/fold on the turn though.
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10-19-2015 , 01:39 PM
With crazy SB in the mix, I'm much rather go for a limp/reraise preflop. There's just too good a chance an open is going to go multiway (which is exactly what it did), plus he's crazy enough to call a limp/reraise even if our hand is face up. I hate our preflop result, giving terrific 20+ implied odds to 3 opponents to stack us, while creating a small SPR pot where we'll run into commitment issues almost immediately postflop.

I mean, postflop is just now so gross. Did he flop the nuts? Does he have a draw? Does he have complete air? And yet he's totally capable of getting in stacks postflop with 3 easy bets. This is the exact spot we should have known we were going to be in, and preflop set us up for that. If we're not sure what to do, we should play preflop differently, imo.

Anyways, I'd play flop and turn the same, basically setting up a bluff catcher.

Unless we are super confident in calling a check/raise on the river, I'd actually check the river back. The pot is big and we can't risk bet/folding the best hand against this guy, plus there's enough better hands on this board (flush, straight, two pairs) where he can easily have a better hand. Save the value bets for ABC opponents where we can easily fold big pots to a check/raise, imo.

GhasnoideawhattodopostflopG
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10-19-2015 , 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by matzah_ball
Both your lines rep nothing
Name an air hand an UTG raiser and flop caller shows up with here by the river.

Gthereisn'toneG
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10-19-2015 , 03:07 PM
Check turn. Call a river bluff. AP, check back the river.

AA on this board is NOT a good hand. Why value bet thin against the one type of opponent who is tricky enough to blow us off our hand?
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10-19-2015 , 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Name an air hand an UTG raiser and flop caller shows up with here by the river.

Gthereisn'toneG
Flop caller can have lots of random diamonds, maybe diamond + pair turned into bluff.

Of course it's hard for us to be on air given pre, very good point. But to this guy our line has to smell like major weakness.
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10-19-2015 , 04:43 PM
Your value bet on the river invites a raise so often. Againsy that type of opponent you should check back. They are capable of folding hands u beat and will certainly put u on tricky spot by raising.

Id raise/fold flop (he never 4bets with at least a pair and flush draw) and as played check back river ( dont worry about missing value, is just not a good spot for a river bet)
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10-20-2015 , 07:33 AM
Fish always donkbet with weak pairs. I like a call on a more dry board, but with 3 diamonds out there I think we need to tax him if he's drawing too. Plus we dont want a 4th diamond to kill our action. As played I'm definitely snapping river, there's just too much nonsense he could try this with.
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10-20-2015 , 07:40 AM
Results he had J7
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10-20-2015 , 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by matzah_ball
Flop caller can have lots of random diamonds, maybe diamond + pair turned into bluff.

Of course it's hard for us to be on air given pre, very good point. But to this guy our line has to smell like major weakness.
Matzah and GG --
utg raiser and flop caller are the same person
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10-20-2015 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Leobzook
Results he had J7
You don't need to call this raise with Aces here, dude. I am cool with b/f.

I know that AP, you don't have many stronger hands than AA here. But, you do have some 2 pair, straights, and even black QQ that you can use to bet/call getting 2:1.
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10-20-2015 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by PajamaBottoms
Matzah and GG --
utg raiser and flop caller are the same person
That's my point; we're highly unlikely to have air by the river (I actually can't think of a single reasonable air hand here), so unless he's totally clueless he shouldn't have us air (i.e. I don't think we're nearly as underrepped as Matzah thinks we are).

GcluelessNLnoobG
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10-20-2015 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
That's my point; we're highly unlikely to have air by the river (I actually can't think of a single reasonable air hand here), so unless he's totally clueless he shouldn't have us air (i.e. I don't think we're nearly as underrepped as Matzah thinks we are).

GcluelessNLnoobG
I understand your point now
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10-20-2015 , 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by PajamaBottoms
Matzah and GG --
utg raiser and flop caller are the same person
Yeah I suck at reading. I meant the SB/flop leader.


Still think our range is pretty capped though. Can we ever have better than one pair when we take this line? I don't think so. Maybe AJ.
It's not so much about being underepped but rather representing a weak hand that this villain is likely to try to blow us off.

We can also have 88-99 for effective air balls taking a stab on the river for whatever that's worth.
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