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09-04-2014 , 08:39 PM
Hi guys I recently played an interesting hand at a 2/5 NL table and would like some feedback on the way I approached the hand.

Starting stacks:

Hero: $900
Villain: $800

3 players limp including villain in MP. Hero opens to $40 in the CO holding A A It's folded to the BB who calls and villain in MP.

The flop comes: 6 3 6 $137 in pot.

The flop goes check, check, check. It's a dry board therefore no need to bet as I will only get worse to fold.

The turn brings a 5 $137 in pot

BB leads for $45. Villain raises to $130. Hero??

Villain is a loose maniac pre-flop. He initially bought in for $200 and limp shoved with AJo and AQo into a 4 way shoved pot. I haven't noticed villain engage in any significant post flop play as he mainly tends to shove pre-flop with marginal hands against any player.

Thanks for the feedback guys!
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09-04-2014 , 08:58 PM
stakes?

It's a dry board therefore no need to bet as I will only get worse to fold.
This is just wrong. You'll get called by all overpairs and 45. Bet man. Now the whole thing is messed up.
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09-04-2014 , 09:39 PM
What's your table image? What % do you play pre? Do you cbet much?
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09-04-2014 , 11:05 PM
Not betting flop with 2 V's is a mistake. You're losing value. As played, fold.
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09-04-2014 , 11:17 PM
Bet flop, lot worse will call (any pocket pair). AP call turn
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09-05-2014 , 12:03 AM
We should be continuing with our entire 3 betting range IMO. Sure there are times to mix it up and check but we are 3 handed and we have potentially given any small pp a free chance at binking a set. Once you check I feel like we are stuck stationing until the river. The problem is we can't range these guys for crap and we have basically made our hand look like AK or AQ.

Either one of them could have a number of pocket pairs. We have to worry about random 6x hands which I imagine is a small part of their ranges. Now we are beat by 33 or 55 but lets face it we beat way to much to ever fold. Whom ever said fold is on crack.
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09-05-2014 , 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by GoGrind

The flop goes check, check, check. It's a dry board therefore no need to bet as I will only get worse to fold.



BB leads for $45. Villain raises to $130. Hero??

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If you want to balance your flop check range this is a great time to do it if:
1.You are playing against regs in a small player pool.
2.You also check your air here some of the time

If you want to pot control do it on the turn. This can limit your loss to a flopped boat/6 and also get value from weak pairs OTR.

Not betting this flop is not a huge mistake, but missing value is always a mistake
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09-05-2014 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by AbqDave
What's your table image? What % do you play pre? Do you cbet much?
I have established a solid tight image at the table and only C-bet on boards that hit my perceived range
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09-05-2014 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by GoGrind
Hi guys I recently played an interesting hand at a 2/5 NL table and would like some feedback on the way I approached the hand.

Starting stacks:

Hero: $900
Villain: $800

3 players limp including villain in MP. Hero opens to $40 in the CO holding A A It's folded to the BB who calls and villain in MP.

The flop comes: 6 3 6 $137 in pot.

The flop goes check, check, check. It's a dry board therefore no need to bet as I will only get worse to fold.

The turn brings a 5 $137 in pot

BB leads for $45. Villain raises to $130. Hero??

Villain is a loose maniac pre-flop. He initially bought in for $200 and limp shoved with AJo and AQo into a 4 way shoved pot. I haven't noticed villain engage in any significant post flop play as he mainly tends to shove pre-flop with marginal hands against any player.

Thanks for the feedback guys!

this made me think for a second.. then i read the replies.. and thought to myself.. that's a terrible strategy.. not only is it not that dry.. you also have 2 villains..
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09-05-2014 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by NoExcuses
If you want to balance your flop check range this is a great time to do it if:
1.You are playing against regs in a small player pool.
2.You also check your air here some of the time

If you want to pot control do it on the turn. This can limit your loss to a flopped boat/6 and also get value from weak pairs OTR.

Not betting this flop is not a huge mistake, but missing value is always a mistake
As played do you flat the turn and call any brick on the river?
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09-05-2014 , 02:18 PM
Flop check seems pretty terrible. You're leaving way too much value on the table. If you size it right you can potentially get value here from AJ, KQ, and other hands that think their top pair outs are good... in addition to all of their pocket pairs.
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09-05-2014 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by GoGrind
As played do you flat the turn and call any brick on the river?
call and evaluate. ie. fold to a 3 bet, and if big bets come in on the river fold. You have the advantage of position.

Checking flop is not as terribad as everyone is making out here if you have a nitty image.

If a KQJ comes on ott we are liable to make a couple of streets of value ott and river.

If a comes you will be able to make money from there draws

If they flopped gin or there draws come in we dont have to pay them off.

The 5 isn't actually that bad a card as once you flat they will have to turn there hands face up to get value and to bluff into 2 guys now would be an almighty spew even for the worst villains.
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09-05-2014 , 02:57 PM
Bet flop

How do you reconcile:
"If I bet flop all worse hands will fold" and
"I only cbet boards that hit my perceived range"
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09-05-2014 , 04:06 PM
Yeah, bet the flop as others have said. As played, I call the turn. V's range is much wider than just trips here.
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