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AA fold on turn correct or no? AA fold on turn correct or no?

05-28-2018 , 09:48 PM
Stakes are 1/2 effective stacks are 650 me 550 villain kind of deep.

I am in EP pick up AA raise to $10 (I had been playing a semi aggressive style) folds to CO (Where I have only seen him win hands at showdown) he reaches for what looks like a re-raise, but elects to just call. Folds to loose BB and he comes along for $10. Flop comes 6K7 rainbow BB checks to me where I throw out $25 I see CO hand shake a little while reaching for a $100 stack, but elects to peel off and just call again. BB calls. Turn a nine, so the board reads 6K79 and now I make the first of what I feel bad mistake, I check. The dude reaches for $200 and pushes them in, BB folds, I tank for about 30 seconds and fold with my cards turned upright.

Do you think this was:
Mistake you push over the top on him
no that is a lay down.

I feel I only had 2 choices and I didn't feel my aces were the best for my stack here!
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05-28-2018 , 10:15 PM
Don't read too much into the possible re-raise preflop. You can get really burned by trying to narrow their range down based on a read like that. Just play the hand as if they had a typical 1/2NL flatting range, which includes all PP's, some decent K's, suited connectors, and maybe some other random crap that people call with.

Shaky hands usually mean they've got something. Could be a set, could be AK, but it probably means they have a good hand and aren't going away easily.

The check on the turn can be a decent play, as these raise pre then c-bet spots are so common, that even over a single session, if you fire once then give up, your opponents will be float you and fire the turn. So you need to have some hands like this in your checking range so that you aren't overly predictable. Usually this is a good check/call spot.

Now we get to his overbet, and have to deal with it. Fundamentally, it would not be a mistake to call. You are going to be c-betting this flop with bluffs a lot, so your range is still fairly wide at this point, and your AA is at the top.

But is this a good spot to make an exploitable fold? In general 1/2 players don't bluff very often, and they don't value bet aggressively enough, so here he is betting 2x the pot. You guys are also the 2 monster stacks at the table, but he's got shaking hands and is making a bet that indicates he's playing for stacks. The board is starting to wetten up and he could be getting scared of having his set cracked. All those things combined hint at him having a big hand and we should consider folding.

The only conflicting piece here is that he could be overplaying a big King, as that is is another mistake 1/2 players will make, so we need to at least account for that somewhat.

My general rule is to respect overbets the first time I see them. But there are some players out there who will try to run over the table with them, and you have to get sticky and stand your ground with holdings you normally wouldn't play for stacks with. If this is the first time you've seen this, I think this is a good fold.
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05-28-2018 , 10:28 PM
You said you've seen him win at showdown, how did those hands play out?

If he's of the trapping mindset then he wouldnt overbet. This guy is either an angleshooter or he just doesnt know how to play JJ/QQ. He wants to 3bet pre but recognizes he could get 4bet so he calls. He's disappointed with the flop but you could just be cbetting air. You gave up on the turn and now he wants to "protect his hand". These are all the weird dilemmas fish go through with medium strength hands.

Regardless I read him for a "bluff" whether he sees it as a bluff or not and call this turn with the plan to x/c the river expecting him to once again just jam because "there's already so much money out there".

Although I would never check the turn regardless of him shaking, and would barrel $50 and $100 on turn/riv. Now if he suddenly jammed over my river bet I think I could find a fold. But the way you played it? Never.
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05-28-2018 , 11:45 PM
I had not seen him physically act like that, he doubled up on two pair vs aa about a half an hour before that, walked his way into a flush on the river for a mid sized $150 pot. But, guy was not over overly aggressive. I am so on the fence with this fold it had me up last night thinking about it, lol. And, thanks for the responses!
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05-29-2018 , 12:04 AM
What exactly is the purpose of showing your cards?

To show the whole table that you can be pushed off future hands, too?
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05-29-2018 , 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Nozsr
What exactly is the purpose of showing your cards?

To show the whole table that you can be pushed off future hands, too?
That is exactly why, I want them to think that! The whole table goes "whoa how did you fold that" and "Wow, big mistake". You think they will ever forget that, I don't think so. I play in a dog track where the same faces are there a lot! That memory in peoples minds will not go away. I come to the table and boom here comes this guy! By the way, I played for 5 hours and this was the ONLY cards I showed the whole time other then winners!

Last edited by Rocky602; 05-29-2018 at 12:11 AM.
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05-29-2018 , 12:30 AM
^ these players wont remember that you folded AA, they'll just remember that you only played AA and probably not play too many pots vs you.
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05-29-2018 , 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Rocky602
That is exactly why, I want them to think that! The whole table goes "whoa how did you fold that" and "Wow, big mistake". You think they will ever forget that, I don't think so. I play in a dog track where the same faces are there a lot! That memory in peoples minds will not go away. I come to the table and boom here comes this guy! By the way, I played for 5 hours and this was the ONLY cards I showed the whole time other then winners!
Yeah don't show when you make a big fold. Don't show ever really but especially this situation. Do you want to be bluff catching all the time?

Though I think the main thing people will remember is you look like a huge nit. This is not an image you want at 1/2.

Whether the fold is correct who knows? Overbets and shaky hands...sounds like it comes down to your read of this player and how you think he plays the nuts vs bluffs vs TP and in what situations his hands shake. Some people shake when they're bluffing. Though more commonly it's a sign of having the nuts.
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05-29-2018 , 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Rocky602
That is exactly why, I want them to think that! The whole table goes "whoa how did you fold that" and "Wow, big mistake". You think they will ever forget that, I don't think so. I play in a dog track where the same faces are there a lot! That memory in peoples minds will not go away. I come to the table and boom here comes this guy! By the way, I played for 5 hours and this was the ONLY cards I showed the whole time other then winners!
If your opponents don't bluff enough it is a huge mistake to encourage your opponents to increase their bluffing frequency. Basically you are encouraging your opponents to bluff more.
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05-29-2018 , 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by adios
If your opponents don't bluff enough it is a huge mistake to encourage your opponents to increase their bluffing frequency. Basically you are encouraging your opponents to bluff more.
Exactly this. We can make more of these folds at low stakes because low stakes players on average dont make big bluffs anywhere near an optimal frequency. Showing them you are capable of making hero folds will help them increase their bluffing frequency. Occasionally people will show me their hero folds and it paints a giant target on their forehead for me.
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05-29-2018 , 09:32 AM
Guys, thx for all the feedback, so that is a no in showing lay downs like this! Got it! I was a rec player that played maybe once or twice a year and had fun live. I mostly played online and have read numerous posts on here. I sell things online and really don't have a schedule, so I decided to drive 45 mins 3 times in the past 2 weeks to play (and have had great results so far). So, whatever tips you guys give me about live, I greatly appreciate it. I am going to try this week to go out thurs, fri, and sat nights because the high hands are a lot better at those times. Any tips on when to play, would that be the best times?
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05-29-2018 , 10:10 AM
Agree with the fold to the shaky hand overbet.
And don't show.
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05-29-2018 , 10:41 AM
Never fold face up. Just don’t do it. The massive overbet is one of two things, he finally got that monster he’s been waiting for or he’s full of excrement. You can find better spots to get it in. Fold. Face down.
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