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AA Flop sizing to GII Multiway???? AA Flop sizing to GII Multiway????

08-04-2017 , 06:03 AM
1/2 NL Jack Casino Cincinnati

Hero = MAWG. Playing pretty lag to this point. Stack $350

V1 = The Russian. Drinking. Started with $100 and has rebought 3x. Binked a few hands ago and now has $250. Has straddled to $5 UTG each time and bumped it up to $15 or more each time.

V2 = Nitty. Reg. Very tight. Capable of folding big hands. Very straightforward pre and post flop. $200 stack.

V3 = Crazy Asian. Has played 70% of hands thus far. Either limps (40% of the time) or raises larger to $12 or $15. Calling down til the river with any piece. $300 stack

OTTH

The Russian is in the straddle $5.
Hero UTG +2 calls $5 with A A
Nitty raises to $14.
Crazy Asian calls.
The Russian calls.
Hero raises to $65.
Nitty calls $65.
Crazy Asian calls $65.
The Russian folds.


Flop ($212) A J T

Nitty has $135 behind and The Crazy Asian has $235 behind.
Hero?
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08-04-2017 , 07:09 AM
OMG! .. wtf's going on?

Lead by betting to get a call. Bet like $75 in $215 to get the goddamned call and after that the hand plays by itself on autopilot (LOL).., it has her own wheels you got nothing to do anymore. I'm serious. Bet and bet again. Don't check the flop and bet the turn because you become a suspect trying to build up the pot. Bet right now to get a call. Even bet $65 because nobody's gonna fold on a $65 flop bet. They must be nuts to let you take a $215 pot for $65 bet. Just ask them: "are you guys drawing ...Huh?" and bet $65, or tell them you got a draw .. (LOL) .. I'm kidding, bro .., but it may work or create confusion. Just bet!

Last edited by outdonked; 08-04-2017 at 07:14 AM.
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08-04-2017 , 08:21 AM
This isn't much of a question. You are never folding on this flop but multiway on a wet flop you can't let it check around either. Just bet something on the flop and shove turn. $75 looks good because you are mostly setting up a turn shove against Crazy. Nitty should either have flopped a set with JJ/TT or he is done with the hand. What you want is Crazy to stick around with one pair hands.
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08-04-2017 , 08:37 AM
Does anyone else like a shove on the flop? Reg nit isn't putting a dime in without QK or two pair plus and Laggy Asian is calling a shove with the same frequency as $75, plus we are never folding. It seems LLSNL has gotten FPS with monsters.
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08-04-2017 , 09:30 AM
I think a shove is overkill in this situation. Unless Crazy is really stationary can find a fold with QJ /T9/one pair/some other one pair+weak draw or OESD against hero's obvious AK shove on the flop. Hero wants to suck those hands in and give Crazy a chance to shove over top with worse hands. JT and OESDs might shove if hero makes a weak looking bet.

Heads up against a known opponent I would shove sometimes. But it's mostly balance. Hero wipes out this board and preflop action actually makes it hard for villains to have draws.
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08-04-2017 , 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by adam levine
Does anyone else like a shove on the flop? Reg nit isn't putting a dime in without QK or two pair plus and Laggy Asian is calling a shove with the same frequency as $75, plus we are never folding. It seems LLSNL has gotten FPS with monsters.
Yes, betting $75 and jamming have little to no EV difference.

But everybody likes to jam with semi-bluffs, but rarely does it with nutz.

Get the money in and sit back and hope you hold (or get there).

Besides the fact. That betting $75 would give Asian, and even russian good odds to draw towards a gutter.


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08-04-2017 , 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by outdonked
OMG! .. wtf's going on?

Lead by betting to get a call. Bet like $75 in $215 to get the goddamned call and after that the hand plays by itself on autopilot (LOL).., it has her own wheels you got nothing to do anymore. I'm serious. Bet and bet again. Don't check the flop and bet the turn because you become a suspect trying to build up the pot. Bet right now to get a call. Even bet $65 because nobody's gonna fold on a $65 flop bet. They must be nuts to let you take a $215 pot for $65 bet. Just ask them: "are you guys drawing ...Huh?" and bet $65, or tell them you got a draw .. (LOL) .. I'm kidding, bro .., but it may work or create confusion. Just bet!
If either Villain has JJ, TT, or an unlikely AK, then yes this is getting in but Hero has the board locked so much so that it is going to be hard for either Villain to GII.

I don't plan on checking the flop but was looking for the ideal sizing.
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08-04-2017 , 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by adam levine
Does anyone else like a shove on the flop? Reg nit isn't putting a dime in without QK or two pair plus and Laggy Asian is calling a shove with the same frequency as $75, plus we are never folding. It seems LLSNL has gotten FPS with monsters.
No monsters here. Just looking for the optimal sizing. Never considering a check with this wet of a board (even with the A of spades in my hand). I considered shoving the flop (for deception) but one Villain would have to have exactly JJ, TT, KQ, or an unlikely AK, AQ, AJ, or AT to call. Granted Nitty's range holds these but the Asian's range is super wide here.
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08-04-2017 , 02:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by adam levine
Does anyone else like a shove on the flop? Reg nit isn't putting a dime in without QK or two pair plus and Laggy Asian is calling a shove with the same frequency as $75, plus we are never folding. It seems LLSNL has gotten FPS with monsters.
I'd put crazy Asian all in. If the nit was $235 I'd consider smaller bet sizing.

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08-04-2017 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by paratrooper99
If either Villain has JJ, TT, or an unlikely AK, then yes this is getting in but Hero has the board locked so much so that it is going to be hard for either Villain to GII.

I don't plan on checking the flop but was looking for the ideal sizing.
I understand how you think and agree, but think about how can villains refuse a ridiculous flop bet of $65 after they called the preflop raise and the pot is now $215. They absolutely cannot let it go for $65, also a $75 on the turn and $100 for the river will cover the entire effective. I will not shove on any street but bet in small chunks to extract another $200+ little by little.
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