Hero - 19 years old, been getting a little out of line, seen as very aggressive by the table
Villain - Asian young-ish guy, probably 25-35

OTTH

Hero opens AsAh to 15 UTG at 1-2 (550 stack). Every other player at the table calls (I love 1-2)

Flop (135) Jh6h6d

Villain in BB leads for 70 and has 200 behind, Hero?

Need the stack sizes and Villain profiles of those yet to act to determine best line.

Villain UTG +1: loose passive rec who covers me
UTG +2: tight bad reg with $250
MP1: loose passice rec with $100
MP2: loose passive rec with 200
next guy is a competent reg who covers me
next guy is a loose passive bad reg with 100
next guy is OMC with 300
then villain who was as described

I fold w/first to act already betting, don’t think its close

this is a clear call, and I'm expecting Vill to check it down afterwards assuming no calls afterwards.

Given family pot - ranges for those to act are super wide but they'll also be playing super transparently. Means that no one is going to even call with worse, much less bluff-raise. Don't really need Vill profiles for that.

Flop leader is a little weird. The vast vast majority of Vills at 1/2 are just going to check flopped trips "to the raiser". Donking is much more likely to be a J trying to protect their equity (or even "see where they're at") - which is why I want to call

While we've essentially turned our hand face up by raising UTG pre and calling a flop lead, I don't care that much about exploitative play because a) it's 1/2 and everyone is a donkey until they prove otherwise (and 25-35ish asian isn't enough to prove otherwise), and b) this spot happens so rarely that playing exploitatively isn't an issue anyway.

I realize that there are a lot of people left to act. However it's unlikely they have a 6, and I expect FDs at 1/2 to play super transparently in bloated multi-way pots (so call and check it down unless hit). I also realize that given the action your range has almost no 6s, while both the flop donker AND any other caller can have at on of 6s in their range - but see point A from above. Unless they have a 6, they're far more likely to shutdown and try to get to showdown than exploit Hero.

Considering how many callers you had, why didn't you raise more preflop?

You should be looking for a standard sizing which gets 1-2 callers, and I'm doubting $15 is it.

Hero was under the gun. 15 when first to raise in 1/2 is a substantial raise under normal circumstances.
Hero has been admittedly getting out of line, has created loose image, he's 19! If course the whole table called!

Your first and second points contradict each other though. If hero's image is such that he's getting more callers, he should be taking advantage of that by sizing up his raises.

If it's predictable that $15 will get called in many spots then $15 is not enough.

I have a similar image (too loose) and I know $15 from UTG at my standard game will get way more calls than I am comfortable with.

this is rather monday mourning analysis. 15 dollars is a big opening size, not that, its that rare to get 4-5 callers vs it, just how 1-2 is played. if you are at a table thats going to flat 7.55 bb open that is obvious good in the long run and you have to live with the times you have a big pair and the c bet becomes bad because their are too many callers.

my self am more of the fan of a 11 or 10 dollar open but if someone already limped sure make it 16 to 20.

After this hand i increased my standard open to $20 and would make it $25 over 2 limpers or more and it worked much better

Yup, that's pretty close to my default open. I size up or down from that based on how the table is playing.

I'm not sure what games you're playing at, but for mine 10/11 is lolsmall to most players and will bring you 4-5 ways to most flops.

krill, please take the opening sizing discussion to the "why raise so much" thread in the stickies.

Cliffs: Even if your goal is 1 or 2 callers, the sizing that accomplishes that varies for different games, from as low as a report 6-8 dollars in reggy Vegas games, up to $20 in spewy Midwestern games.

[QUOTE=krilleater;54054761]Your first and second points contradict each other taking advantage of that by sizing up his raises.
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Yeah, your initial response sounded a bit simplistic, thus my attempt at further analysis as to why, what happened, but,I won't argue with that.

My main focus was that Hero was first to act but in retrospect, hero should have know better, he admittedly said his image was loose, to raise more.

I was involved in a hand Saturday where some idiot made a rinky dinky raise of 5, in a 1/2 game,in early position and there were 5 callers. I'm in late position and I'm looking at pocket Kings and, there's 28 in pot with blinds, I bumped it up to 50 and everyone folded.
Ok, I had a tight image that night to begin with because I wasn't making any hands and was a loser that night but the moral is, taking everything into account and then decide on the right move.

Folding here is absolutely criminal. Nobody should ever be folding here with AA when SPR is .8-2 max. Unless utg + 1 goes ballistixwe are snap getting this in all day everyday. It’s literally so bad to fold AA here

Call, dont shove OP

Not really going to make any conclusions about opening size. $15 is fairly large as a UTG open in most 1/2 games. Whether or not it was bad sizing here depends on the flow of that particular game. It could just be one of those random outlier hands where you get a couple EP calls and the rest of the table then feels compelled to come along as well.

As played, call flop. Kinda sucks that it's the BB leading, as he should have more 6x in his range than the rest of the table, but I'm still not folding AA with a heart to that lead. In this case I think having the Ah is a good thing for the bit of added equity it gives, as I doubt V would be leading FDs that it blocks anyways. I think V has Jx and 6x almost exclusively, and while I don't think it's a fist-pump spot I'm willing to go with the hand.

are you calling down or only calling heart/A turns? what is your plan for the rest of the streets.

Call


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