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Old 08-10-2018, 03:10 AM   #1
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AA facing c/r flop jam turn

Hi all,

1/3 NL. V is extremely capable winning regular. 30 y/o Asian. I sat to his left when he joined the table because I consider him to be one of the best players in the room. Hand histories: limped to V who raises BTN $12. Hero in SB 3! $35 in SB with K-10o. V calls. Flop 10-J-8. Check check. Turn: 7. Hero checks, V bets $40. Hero folds. Hand 2: limped pot, hero overlimps A-8o on BTN. V bets $10 on 3-5-9 flop. Hero calls. Turn: A. V bets $15. Hero calls. River: 2. V bets $40. Hero calls and V tables 6-4o for straight.

Hand in question hero is playing $370, V covers.

V limps CO, hero raises AsAh on BTN to $15. BB calls, V calls. Pot $39.

Flop: Qs-7-3s. Hero bets $20. BB folds, V c/r $60. Hero calls.

Turn: 4d. V goes all in for hero’s remaining $290. Hero? V could have 56ss, 33, no real two pair combos. I’m pretty sure V would have raised 77 in CO. Also some spade draws (except nut flush draw which is unfortunate because hero has As).

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DT

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Old 08-10-2018, 03:40 AM   #2
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Re: AA facing c/r flop jam turn

Tough spot against a competent villain. What’s his limp calling range look like? Does he have two pairs on this board? 33?

Tough spot, the best wisdom that I can leave you with is don’t 3 bet KTo OOP against a crusher.
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Old 08-10-2018, 04:00 AM   #3
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Re: AA facing c/r flop jam turn

Good lord don't 3-bet the best player you know OOP with KTo.

A8o: Calling the flop with A-high is 'meh' if you have a plan for winning without hitting. But you're kind of burning money AP. Calling the turn is fine. The river bet is kind of on the large side so I'd like to know some more about his tendencies in these spots. I lean toward folding, but there are a lot of guys I'd call there too.

OTTH: Pre is fine. Flop is OK. C/R raises some flags immediately though.

When he limp/calls in LP and c/r-jams ... that reads like a very strong post flop line to me. I don't see QJ pulling this. 77 and 33 are the obvious candidates that also fit the preflop action. Not all 77 will raise pre. 44 wouldn't make sense on the flop, nor would the straight combos without the FD too. A7ss makes sense too I guess if he thinks he can leverage the FE the strength of the line has.

Until I see that a guy has this move without a set in his arsenal I'm folding this. This isn't a spaztard that'll pile it in with a naked Q.


I'd spend more time observing this guy and less time playing pots with him if I were you.
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Old 08-10-2018, 04:48 AM   #4
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Re: AA facing c/r flop jam turn

not wanting to sound too harsh but it´s pretty possible villain views the whole table including you as total fish and his range in this spot is exclusively 77 and 33 stacking your obv overpair.
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Old 08-10-2018, 07:19 AM   #5
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Re: AA facing c/r flop jam turn

Both of the history hands are really bad. If you read this forum, you should know better than to play like this. I also find it highly likely that Villain sucks (overlimping 64o in the CO, apparently open limping the main hand of the thread).
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Old 08-10-2018, 07:24 AM   #6
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His line looks enough like spades that I would call any TPTK+ hand that did not have the Ace of spades. Probably you can fold holding the Ace of spades. Better to have red AQ or KsKx than this hand.
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Old 08-10-2018, 08:38 AM   #7
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Re: AA facing c/r flop jam turn

Probably letting it go given history, though I wouldn't be surprised to see combo draws like 54s/76s/87s.

H1 - if 3-betting, higher oop and c-bet flop.

H2 - c/f flop.
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Old 08-10-2018, 08:55 AM   #8
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Both of the history hands are really bad. If you read this forum, you should know better than to play like this. I also find it highly likely that Villain sucks (overlimping 64o in the CO, apparently open limping the main hand of the thread).
lol yeah that too
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Old 08-10-2018, 10:59 AM   #9
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Re: AA facing c/r flop jam turn

something isn't adding up. you are calling him a winning reg but if this hand was posted from his point of view and he had 77, or 33 we would be like why are u 2x potting the turn????

OTT the pot is $159 and V shoves all in for $290? when is this ever a good play at 1/2 or 1/3?

you know V better than we do. Is this a flush draw that he is over paying?

I am always on the fold side of things but I would probably pay him off based on your description because if he is competent he would never play a set this way. their aren't any 2 pairs as you have said so he must be on a draw and we beat draws.

I would call and reload if we lost.

I am very interested in what he had
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Old 08-10-2018, 03:24 PM   #10
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something isn't adding up. you are calling him a winning reg but if this hand was posted from his point of view and he had 77, or 33 we would be like why are u 2x potting the turn????

OTT the pot is $159 and V shoves all in for $290? when is this ever a good play at 1/2 or 1/3?

you know V better than we do. Is this a flush draw that he is over paying?

I am always on the fold side of things but I would probably pay him off based on your description because if he is competent he would never play a set this way. their aren't any 2 pairs as you have said so he must be on a draw and we beat draws.

I would call and reload if we lost.

I am very interested in what he had

****Results****


I tank called (expecting 33 a lot), the board bricked out, and V initially tapped the table but did not show. I asked him to show before I did. He turned over 10s-9h. I am rethinking whether he is truly a crusher. He seemed to be as he always has heaps ($1.5K+) at the table and the hands I've seen him in he plays aggressively and normally has it when the betting gets big. Maybe this was his rare attempt to get the nit to fold an overpair? I almost did! Or he was just on tilt today. It happens to the best of us.
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Old 08-10-2018, 05:25 PM   #11
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****Results****


I tank called (expecting 33 a lot), the board bricked out, and V initially tapped the table but did not show. I asked him to show before I did. He turned over 10s-9h. I am rethinking whether he is truly a crusher. He seemed to be as he always has heaps ($1.5K+) at the table and the hands I've seen him in he plays aggressively and normally has it when the betting gets big. Maybe this was his rare attempt to get the nit to fold an overpair? I almost did! Or he was just on tilt today. It happens to the best of us.
Just because some has heaps of chips doesn't make them a winner. He could just be running good. Yes I think he was trying to get you to fold. I don't think ur a nit at all. Lol didn't u just 3 KT.

He was obv making a move but the move didn't make sense. A few people realized this very quickly.
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Old 08-10-2018, 06:13 PM   #12
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This guys sounds like a spaz that just gets into a bunch of big pots with trash and either binks the board or sucks out. I'd wager that when you see him with $1k+ in front of him, 80% of it is his buy in.
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Old 08-11-2018, 02:30 AM   #13
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Re: AA facing c/r flop jam turn

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1/3 NL. V is extremely capable winning regular. 30 y/o Asian. I sat to his left when he joined the table because I consider him to be one of the best players in the room.
After reading both hand histories & results...just LOL @ this. Also if he was really any good, he'd have been playing 2/5 and 5/T long ago.

Is this at MGM NH?
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Old 08-11-2018, 02:49 AM   #14
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After reading both hand histories & results...just LOL @ this. Also if he was really any good, he'd have been playing 2/5 and 5/T long ago.

Is this at MGM NH?
Yes MGM. He’s the youngish Asian guy with glasses and green earbuds. He’s played 2/5.
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