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11-24-2014 , 12:50 AM
1/2 normal table without any sharks
V1 on super duper tilt/drunk, down >1000, raising preflop almost every hand to $15 if he was first to act or limped to him, and calling down with nothing. V2 a 30ish rec/reg black guy i consider worse than my self. second buyin. got his chips when he called all in and caught his flush on river.
preflop
V1(150,UTG): raise to $15
V2(350,UTG+1): call
Hero(600, MP): raise to $30 with AA
call,call.
flop: 467
V1 bet 18, V2 call, Hero raise to $60. V1 folds. V2 tank tank tank calls. he almost folded.
i didn't think V2 was calling and wanted to isolate V1. if i knew V2 was calling i would have raised more. i assumed he knew i had a big hand and he didn't hit a piece of that flop. on hindsight, i had been bullying the table a little and had bluff raised with KQ on rag flop to isolate V1 and won a huge pot with K high to V1's nothing many hands ago. so now i realize that's why he didn't give my raise a credit.
My read on him was an overpair or SOME SORT OF STRAIGHT DRAW.50/50.
turn: 5
V2 checks.
if he had SOME SORT OF STRAIGHT DRAW he probably hit the strt, and if he had an over pair, i am still good. there was a very small chance that he had a set or 2 pair on the flop too. so i check.
river: 9 didn't change anything
V2 check. Hero check. V2 shows Q6 for a flush. all throughout the hand i never saw the flush !!!
after showdown, a couple of players said i should have bet the turn. V2 also said he would have folded on turn bet.
i didn't bet the turn because i wanted to keep the pot small and felt like i was either way ahead or way behind. there were far many better spots available on this table to make plays than this tricky situation.
now i realize my mistake was putting him on SOME SORT OF STRAIGHT DRAW rather than the exact strt draw i believed he had. he is not calling $42 more with a gutshot. if he had an open end strt draw, 5 does't complete his strt. i would never believe he would call $15 preflop raise with 89. so i might have bet turn with all these knowledge. lesson learned : NEVER PUT VILLAIN ON SOME SORT OF A DRAW. ALWAYS DEFINE THE VILLAIN'S DRAW.

so i want to know u guys views on my thinking process and the play. did i play the hand too badly, badly, ok, alright or good. what would you have done in these situations ?

Last edited by dangecarlos; 11-24-2014 at 01:05 AM. Reason: clarity
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11-24-2014 , 01:51 AM
Your 3bet sizing is pretty bad; make it bigger, depending on what villains will call, but definitely bigger. I would raise more on the flop as well.

Don't post results as it colors the responses and encourages results-oriented thinking.

I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say in the OP as it's a bit of a mess, but it sounds like you're saying it's better to try to guess your opponents exact hand rather than the entire range of possible hands they might have. This is wrong, wrong, wrong. You want to think about all the possible hands opponent might have based on his actions up to this point, and this is a dynamic process from street to street. Some of your thought processes don't seem to make sense: things like "villain would never call $15 preflop with 89" but he shows up with Q6.
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11-24-2014 , 02:30 AM
Thanks for reply. I posted the results bcuz what I see and interpret might be completely off and u guys might have wrong view of the situation or level of opponents I m playing. When I post the results it's more clearer where each player is coming from. I just want u guys to analyze my thought process. All that rambling was connecting the dots after the fact justifying that I made wrong play by checking turn.
Yes I made the mistake on preflop and flop raise. I was preoccupied by AA and V1. I am sorry I didn't write clearly. My question is "was my checking turn a bad play ? " after all the wrong plays I made for whatever reason checking was the only logical play on turn. It's like waking up next morning after a night of heavy drinking.I didn't want to play big pot bcuz I was either way ahead or way behind ( I didn't see flush draw ). I thought There was some value in checking it down. Would u bet turn after u made those mistakes on pre and flop ?

Last edited by dangecarlos; 11-24-2014 at 02:42 AM.
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11-24-2014 , 04:25 AM
Turn check is fine on a 4 straight board. Villain has lots of better hands in his range (2prs and straights) along with FDs and overpairs. If we bet here we're never getting better to fold (so it's terrible to bet as a bluff); we can get called by worse (FDs) but that's a small part of villain's range.

Saying you should bet the turn because villain happened to have a flush draw this time is dumb results-oriented thinking. Think about the whole range of hands your opponents can have, not just the one specific hand they happened to have. Someone who shows up with Q6s here is going to have really wide ranges in most spots.
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11-24-2014 , 04:46 AM
When a huge fish is giving lots of action on the table sometimes u lose ur direction. No 2 players were going 3 way action with this fish. So when I was dealt AA I had fish on my target and lost track of villain. I thought our villain would get out of way when I apply pressure. I didn't realize he was that bad. Look he checked flush river !!! I have been burnt this way a couple of times now. I will watch out in the future.
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