1-2

Hero raises if he comes in, rarely limps, sometimes 3 bets, has been seen to 3B-fold to a shove.
V1 is 30ish, knows everyone at the table, but had only been around maybe 2 orbits.
V2 is late 60's, and is the typical old guy that never raises, limps utg 50%, chases draws for bad odds, etc., but he's been doing it for 40 years.

V1 is UTG with about $200, raises to 6
2 callers
Hero has AA, 3bets to 25
folded to V2 who calls (~$140 in stack)
V2 calls from BB
all others fold
pot is now ~$85

Flop is KQ4r
V2 Checks
V1 bets $25

I feel like these small donk bets are top pair all the time, and the plan is to get it all in with V1.

Hero raises to $60
V2 thinks a bit and cold calls again, which sends up red flags
V1 Calls, which now seems pretty bad for me
pot now ~$265

V2 shoves for 43
V1 thinks for 20 seconds and calls
pot is now ~$350

Hero: ?

It seems one of these clowns has to have 2 pair+ here, though I saw similar hands won with less previously. Is this worth a call to try and river a bigger two pair or trips?

Rereading this post, I can only assume I'm going to be called 8 kinds of idiot for how I played this. I used to be a winning low stakes online player pre-BF, but it is clear I haven't figured out this live thing.

Go ahead let me have it.

Turn is a blank I assume?

With two callers to the raise pre, I think you can get away with a bigger 3-bet to 35ish.

OTF, your raise is just so badly small. There is really no good raise size that sets up a nice turn shove, so I would probably just ship it otf.

As played, it's 43 dollars and there's tons of money in there so please never fold. I think it's possible V2 has AK played this way and V1 can show up with worse hands like JT or Kx. You are probably losing but it's like 8:1. So call and if V1 ships his last 60 otr probably call that too.

Go all in.

whoops, turn was a 9

Ah, well, turn was not a blank. Yeah, you can fold now.

I like this mostly, 3b more pre because they'll still call and your raise OTF needs to be sized better. He donks $25, you could probably just shove and fade his outs unless he flopped 2p with KQ. Donking would be weird with anything else that beats you IMO

I think over all the hand was played pretty well pre flop. The 3 bet sizing was fairly good but it looks like you could of made it larger like 30-32 de to dead money. I think once be donk bets and you put him on top pair you should be raising larger than 60. Lets say on the flop raise to 85-100 then you are committed and the thinking is over. I doubt they have KK or QQ maybe 44 but I think KQ is most likely the one hand beating you. As played you should just be going all in the pot is huge relative to your stack sizes and you are committed.

Thanks for the replies. Two things are clear - one, even three years later, I'm too used to having the pot size info right in front of me to read, and two, I clearly should have raised the donk bet bigger. At the time, I thought I had raised close to pot.

Good read by peckx, only you got it backward - the old guy cold called a 3-bet with JTo, then cold called a raise open ended and got there. The other guy had AKo.

Ya seemed like a slam dunk until you stated the turn was a 9 ball. In the long run you will make tons of $ off that dude.

Both your preflop and flop raises should be a little larger.

per flop raise more...something like 30-35. utg raising range is mostly going to flat your 3bet and rarely is he going to fold to your 3bet

don't like the flop raise mostly because most of v1's weaker range, including AK will likely fold. but obv if we feel v2( old guy) is going to call any flop raise if he has any piece of the board, then I raise bigger. if this was HU against v1, then I'm flatting 100%... here , in this spot! it's a judgement call! mostly due to v2 tendencies.

turn, you're way behind v1, but if I was to continue, I'd jam now for the side pot against v2

At least $75 on the flop.
AP, w/pot size, must call shove.